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Simon Pegg Calls Out 'Star Wars' For Having Most 'Toxic' Fandom—While Praising 'Star Trek' Fans

Reverend said:
There's a reason why I limit my contact with either franchise's "fandom", or indeed, fandoms in general. Cliques repulse me. They always seem to amplify to most extreme positions, and there's always some obnoxious fucker desperate for the spotlight, no matter how tiny and dim.

I've been around long enough to see about every kind of bigotry on display, every kind of groupthink opinion regurgitated in lieu of critical thought, or as a homunculian facsimile of a personality, and it's all so very deeply tedious and exhausting to witness. These days I generally don't engage. I find arguing the point only amplifies it. Better to let the small minded mewling of witless fools die in darkness.
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Basically my thoughts on the subject as well. Fandoms in general probably always have been like this, but with internetforums and social media, it has become much more easy to find the rather disgusting discussions and opinions floating around there. Even on this forum, I'll ignore most topics because I already know what's going to happen after about 6 or 7 posts in a topic. I come here for the news topics on SNW, DIS, PIC and LD. The ones for Star Wars, Marvel and DC. And the art section is often pretty cool. But that's it really.
 
Dee1891 said:
Why does that man have a talent for being hypocritical, sometimes? There are toxic fans in so many franchises that I cannot keep count. The Star Wars fandom is more known than the others - including Star Trek's. But I don't believe it's the most toxic.
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That's a very bold statement.
 
Dee1891 said:
Why does that man have a talent for being hypocritical, sometimes? There are toxic fans in so many franchises that I cannot keep count. The Star Wars fandom is more known than the others - including Star Trek's. But I don't believe it's the most toxic.
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Please tell me some examples similar to the most notorious ones (death threats etc) from the Star Wars fandom happened in the, I don't know, Harry Potter's or Lord Of The Rings' with the same frequency.

Thank you.
 
Mage said:
Fandoms in general probably always have been like this, but with internetforums and social media, it has become much more easy to find the rather disgusting discussions and opinions floating around there.
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There's also a lot of positive effects from fandoms, with regard to both promoting and increasing the properties and engaging with fellow fans. I find disgusting discussions and opinions pretty rare, most of what is critical being pretty reasonable and constructive and thought-provoking criticism.
 
Their is toxic people in all wakes of life. Not just fandoms. The only difference is complaining about bad fans makes for clickbait stories. Fan sites and newspapers pull out these rant stories whenever they got nothing else to write about because they always have the benefit of having some truth to them and people like reading about bad people doing bad stuff.
 
Jayson1 said:
Their is toxic people in all wakes of life. Not just fandoms. The only difference is complaining about bad fans makes for clickbait stories. Fan sites and newspapers pull out these rant stories whenever they got nothing else to write about because they always have the benefit of having some truth to them and people like reading about bad people doing bad stuff.
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Positive news doesn't lead.
 
I mean it never has. It's why that expression If it bleeds it leads, existed. It's just the internet has made it all so much worst today creating a society soaking in cynicism and hatred because of it.
 
suarezguy said:
There's also a lot of positive effects from fandoms, with regard to both promoting and increasing the properties and engaging with fellow fans. I find disgusting discussions and opinions pretty rare, most of what is critical being pretty reasonable and constructive and thought-provoking criticism.
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Jayson1 said:
Their is toxic people in all wakes of life. Not just fandoms. The only difference is complaining about bad fans makes for clickbait stories. Fan sites and newspapers pull out these rant stories whenever they got nothing else to write about because they always have the benefit of having some truth to them and people like reading about bad people doing bad stuff.
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I've been annoyed with toxic fandom for a lot longer than clickbaity sites have been making stories about it. This level of nasty has always been part of fandoms, going way back to old messageboards during the late 90's. She should have read what was going on when Seven became part of Voyager.
Deep toxic fans have always been a part of every fandom. But with social media and internet growing a lot in the last 15 years, they've found a much larger and easier to acces podium than before. And yes, their words are being shoved in our faces more by websites hunting for those clicks. But it's always been an issue.
 
JD said:
Both fandoms have their toxicity, but Star Wars fans do seem to take it to more of an extreme that Star Trek fans.
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Do they? Or has the progressiveness just not encroached on anything 'Holy' to them yet?

I think that social media algorithms give people a false sense of the real level of toxicity in the fan bases. People who always click and comment on the negativity, so they see more negativity, so they get the impression it's all negativity then they complain and the rest of us go "Wha?"

George Lucas especially has a warped view of why fans are negative. He says "Oh they want everyone to be badass, they don't like comic sidekicks." No, they don't like incredibly stupid and annoying comic sidekicks. They love fun ones like Grogu.
 
The Wormhole said:
Indeed. I recently rewatched SeaQuest, and let's just say it does not stand the test of time.
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My only remaining memories of SeaQuest are:

1. People find glowing rocks at the bottom of the sea, think they are valuable, and it turns out to be poop.
2. People being held hostage and getting free by giving the captor's monkey friend a banana.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
My only remaining memories of SeaQuest are:

1. People find glowing rocks at the bottom of the sea, think they are valuable, and it turns out to be poop.
2. People being held hostage and getting free by giving the captor's monkey friend a banana.
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3. A kid built an English/Dolphin translator.
 
Skipper said:
Aside from a few flustered people who got a little too mad about Discovery, I honestly don't see it in the Star Trek fandom the excesses I've seen in Star Wars one (See for example the death threats to the actor who played Jar Jar Binks or the racist remarks about Moses Ingram)
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A lot of fans got more than "a little too mad" about "Star Trek Discovery". "Star Trek Voyager" has been consistently bashed since 1995. And I can also recall a good number of fans getting upset over the strong female presence in "Picard". I've always suspected that the Star Wars fandom tend to be a bit more racist than sexist. And I believe the Star Trek fandom tend to be more sexist than racist.
 
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