Shouldn't Sisko Have Been A Commodore?

[Anwar]

And, as stated before he was also considered a Religious Icon to the Bajorans. If they removed him soon after that discovery it would have negatively affected their relations with Bajor and effectively Starfleet would have sabotaged their own intentions of bringing Bajor into the Federation.

 

[Photon]

He'd have get mo' fro and ask Lionel

 

[Navaros]

Yes Sisko definitely should have been a Commodore, or certainly had a higher rank than Captain, if not specifically Commodore.

I can see Berman not letting them do that though. "No you can't do that, giving him a higher rank would make him better than Picard, and that is unacceptable!"

 

[Anwar]

Oh please, is your excuse for EVERYTHING not to your liking in Trek "Blame Berman"?

The DS9 team would have had full power to do so, if they wanted. But they didn't. It was THEIR choice.

And no, Sisko shouldn't have been a Commodore. He wasn't a Fleet Commander and it was enough when he became a Captain. Even when commanding forces from the Defiant he was still just in the position Admiral Ross put him in as Ross' second which is easily something for a Captain to do given his expertise.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Noncanonly Commodore has been reintroduced in the Trek novels, sort of:

Calhoun calls Picard Commodore in a novel of the TNG relaunch when he leads a group of ships into battle against the Borg.

In the Patrick O'Brian Aubrey/Maturin novels, much is made of the point that commodore, in the 18th and 19th century British Navy, was a description of a position (capatain in charge of a fleet) than a rank. Iirc, Aubrey sneers at the fact that it is a rank in the USN.

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

I'm not sure what Sisko's rank should have been, but from what we saw on-screen, it doesn't seem like the rank of Commodore had been in use in Starfleet since the 23rd century. I'd imagine the Trek writers didn't want to make the ranking system more complicated than they felt it needed to be.

There's a thread about this somewhere IIRC

The US Navy stopped using the rank of Commodore (Commodore-Admiral?) in the Mid 80's 85/86 a 1-2 years before TNG brought Trek back to life

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

Noncanonly Commodore has been reintroduced in the Trek novels, sort of:

Calhoun calls Picard Commodore in a novel of the TNG relaunch when he leads a group of ships into battle against the Borg.

In the Patrick O'Brian Aubrey/Maturin novels, much is made of the point that commodore, in the 18th and 19th century British Navy, was a description of a position (capatain in charge of a fleet) than a rank. Iirc, Aubrey sneers at the fact that it is a rank in the USN.

IIRC as of 1996 Commodore is an actual Rank in the (RN) Royal Navy

 

[Jono]

Oh please, is your excuse for EVERYTHING not to your liking in Trek "Blame Berman"?

Yeah, that's so 1990s. Get with the times man, it's now "Abuse Abrams".

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Noncanonly Commodore has been reintroduced in the Trek novels, sort of:

Calhoun calls Picard Commodore in a novel of the TNG relaunch when he leads a group of ships into battle against the Borg.

In the Patrick O'Brian Aubrey/Maturin novels, much is made of the point that commodore, in the 18th and 19th century British Navy, was a description of a position (capatain in charge of a fleet) than a rank. Iirc, Aubrey sneers at the fact that it is a rank in the USN.

IIRC as of 1996 Commodore is an actual Rank in the (RN) Royal Navy

Interesting...

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

Britannia Royal Naval College, Dartmouth

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operati...ments/training-establishments/brnc-dartmouth/

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operati...-establishments/brnc-dartmouth/the-commodore/

Commodore Jake Moores

If you cannot see his pic. on the page he had one LARGE BAND STRIPE on his sleeve

 

[Navaros]

Oh please, is your excuse for EVERYTHING not to your liking in Trek "Blame Berman"?

The DS9 team would have had full power to do so, if they wanted. But they didn't. It was THEIR choice.

No, just the things that are most likely Berman's fault. Granted, that is a whole heckuva a lot, so it is logical to blame him quite often for many things.

How do you know that the DS9 team would have had the full power to make Sisko a Commodore, but chose not to?

 

[Cartoonist]

I think he should've been promoted to Admiral at the end of "Dogs of War," before leading the combined Federation-Romulan-Klingon fleets to Cardassia. I think he'd earned it by then, and I think the rank would be appropriate for someone leading the future's version of D-Day.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I believe that Martok and Admiral Ross were leading that Fleet though.

Oh please, is your excuse for EVERYTHING not to your liking in Trek "Blame Berman"?

The DS9 team would have had full power to do so, if they wanted. But they didn't. It was THEIR choice.

No, just the things that are most likely Berman's fault. Granted, that is a whole heckuva a lot, so it is logical to blame him quite often for many things.

How do you know that the DS9 team would have had the full power to make Sisko a Commodore, but chose not to?

It has no bearing on it but they did go against Berman and made him essentially bow to their wishes with First Contact. Berman fully intended to blow up the Defiant and one of the DS9 producers told him flat out that the Defiant would show up in the next episode unharmed if he did it.

 

[Anwar]

Oh please, is your excuse for EVERYTHING not to your liking in Trek "Blame Berman"?

The DS9 team would have had full power to do so, if they wanted. But they didn't. It was THEIR choice.

No, just the things that are most likely Berman's fault. Granted, that is a whole heckuva a lot, so it is logical to blame him quite often for many things.

How do you know that the DS9 team would have had the full power to make Sisko a Commodore, but chose not to?

It's just that these days (heck, the last few years) wherein Berman and Braga seem to get blamed for EVERYTHING people don't like about Trek makes us all sound like a bunch of scapegoating idiots. It also shows a stunning lack of research into the issue and not really looking up who was responsible for what. Berman really isn't responsible for nearly as much of the bad things as the Hatedom claims he was if you bother doing the research.

As for Sisko's rank, Berman isn't that petty to hold that back otherwise he wouldn't have let him become a Captain either or get his own ship. The DS9 crew had the control to do what they wanted with ranks, and did nothing.

 

[Red Ranger]

I think C.E. Evans and rofeta's explanations more than adequately explain how Sisko starts out as a Commander in charge of DSN, stays in command because of his status of Emissary, then progresses to Captain, owing to his full experience and the new importance of Bajor and the wormhole. I'm satisfied! BTW, maybe Sisko received a posthumous promotion to rear admiral after the events of What You Leave Behind. -- RR

 

[Wally]

In the DS9 re-launch books, when Sisko returns in "Unity" he tells Kira that Starfleet offered to make him an Admiral. He turned them down.

 

[nx1701g]

^ That was after he returned from the Wormhole though.

 

[Der_Hans]

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[neozeks]

In the DS9 re-launch books, when Sisko returns in "Unity" he tells Kira that Starfleet offered to make him an Admiral. He turned them down.

NOOO, I haven't read the re-launch books yet! He returns? Spoilers, spoilers I say!

 

[RyuRoots]

Do we even SEE anyone with a rank of "Commodore" at any point in TNG or DS9? I can't recall any.