bring Janeway bak she was fantastic and made star trek voyager what it was. i wish i could be like her all the time. pls pls bring bak kathryn janeway and voyager
Should they bring back Janeway?
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^Voyager hasn't gone anyhwhere.
Oh, well then, my apologies. Clearly, when you were 5, you had the best dramatic instincts of anyone ever; since it appealed to you then, that HAS to be the only thing that could appeal to ANYONE now.
You are seriously starting to piss me off.
Please, at least tell me straight up what you just keep coyly implying: you think you're a better fan, and a better person, than me, simply because you liked Star Trek first.
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I as a Star Trek: Voyager fan am offended that Admiral Kathryn Janeway was killed off in the Star Trek: Voyager novel “Before Dishonor” by Peter David. As further insult to Star Trek: Voyager fans Admiral Janeway was then replaced with a new female character Captain Afsarah Eden in the Star Trek: Voyager novel “Unworthy” by Kirsten Beyer.
I fail to see why they felt it necessary to kill Admiral Janeway off in order to start a new story arc for Voyager. Why does Simon & Schuster feel that they need a replacement female lead character when there was nothing wrong with the canon established leading character?
According to the Simon & Schuster guidelines for submission of a Star Trek Novel it states the following:
“No death of an established crewmember or character, or any other permanent change in the Star Trek characters, settings, or universe, such as introducing offspring or close relations of the characters other than those already established”
It seems to me that since these are Simon & Schuster's guidelines they should make a better effort of sticking to them. I understand that these are just guidelines, and Simon & Schuster can choose to make exceptions to them at any point, but I do not find it acceptable that they can take the liberty of killing off a main Star Trek character since they do not hold the creative rights to the Star Trek franchise.
It is long past due for Simon & Schuster to do the right thing, and respect the Star Trek: Voyager fans & the established Star Trek canon by bringing back Admiral Janeway.
I fail to see why they felt it necessary to kill Admiral Janeway off in order to start a new story arc for Voyager. Why does Simon & Schuster feel that they need a replacement female lead character when there was nothing wrong with the canon established leading character?
According to the Simon & Schuster guidelines for submission of a Star Trek Novel it states the following:
“No death of an established crewmember or character, or any other permanent change in the Star Trek characters, settings, or universe, such as introducing offspring or close relations of the characters other than those already established”
It seems to me that since these are Simon & Schuster's guidelines they should make a better effort of sticking to them. I understand that these are just guidelines, and Simon & Schuster can choose to make exceptions to them at any point, but I do not find it acceptable that they can take the liberty of killing off a main Star Trek character since they do not hold the creative rights to the Star Trek franchise.
It is long past due for Simon & Schuster to do the right thing, and respect the Star Trek: Voyager fans & the established Star Trek canon by bringing back Admiral Janeway.
It would be easy to fit Admiral Janeway in to the current story arc of Voyager being redeployed to the Delta Quadrant. Since Admiral Willem Batiste who was overseeing this mission now is no longer with Voyager due to him being exposed as a alien from the race Species 8472 this leaves Voyager in need of a new Admiral to oversee this mission. There is no Admiral more qualified that Admiral Kathryn Janeway to oversee this mission since she is the only Admiral in all of Starfleet who has actually had any experience in the Delta Quadrant. I am sure that Kristen Beyer who is a very capable writer would be able to creatively come of with a way to resurrect Admiral Janeway from the realm of the Q continuum, and incorporate her into this new story arc.
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^ You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but just to clarify a couple misunderstandings.
1) The people that DO hold the creative rights to the Star Trek must approve, in full, every outline and manuscript published. They DID approve of Janeway's fate.
2) In fact, they were the ones that decided to make Janeway become a Q instead of die completely, but they did not make any mandate that she return. They only required that the story be written so that, if desired, she could return at some future point.
3) Janeway has been dead for 2 Voyager novels. Sisko was dead for 10 DS9 novels before he returned. For any logical definition of "long past due", Voyager isn't even close yet.
4) I would guess perhaps 10% of the novels published in the past 5 years have obeyed the Submission Guidelines, if even that much; that is not a mission statement of the kind of stories they want to publish, it is a description of the audition process for potential new writers. The two are VERY different things.
Again, you are of course entitled to your opinion; I just want to make sure you have your facts straight.
1) The people that DO hold the creative rights to the Star Trek must approve, in full, every outline and manuscript published. They DID approve of Janeway's fate.
2) In fact, they were the ones that decided to make Janeway become a Q instead of die completely, but they did not make any mandate that she return. They only required that the story be written so that, if desired, she could return at some future point.
3) Janeway has been dead for 2 Voyager novels. Sisko was dead for 10 DS9 novels before he returned. For any logical definition of "long past due", Voyager isn't even close yet.
4) I would guess perhaps 10% of the novels published in the past 5 years have obeyed the Submission Guidelines, if even that much; that is not a mission statement of the kind of stories they want to publish, it is a description of the audition process for potential new writers. The two are VERY different things.
Again, you are of course entitled to your opinion; I just want to make sure you have your facts straight.
They already have a admiral for the fleet, the first captain became the admiral when Chakotay became captain.
Also the ship is full of people who were in the Delta Quadrant. Also This is the chance for them to explore the area. They didn't really explore the area all the much during the 7 year run of the show.
I personally think the books will be great without Janeway, and really they don't really need her to further the story.
I don't know what gave you that idea and you choosing to be "pissed off" is your problem. I am not responsible for your feelings or how you express them. That is up to you, not me.
You called me a "punk", implied I was being dishonest, disparagingly spoke of how young I was three times, and said you "pity the younger generation who think [this] is [real Star Trek]".
If choosing to be pissed off is my problem, choosing to be patronizing and belittling is yours.
If choosing to be pissed off is my problem, choosing to be patronizing and belittling is yours.
No I did not call you anything, nor did I say you were dishonest. There was no direct attack on you, nor did I say anything about your age. Seems my words are being twisted and taken personally.
Not belittling?
Not patronizing?
I was the only person you were arguing with at the time.
Either you believe me - and believe I'm honest - or don't - and are therefore accusing me of dishonesty.
Your words.
No offence, but have you actually READ any of the books?
Gave Picard and Crusher a kid after getting them married, gave Riker and Troi a kid, killed Admiral Paris, destroyed Deneva (and one of Tuvok's sons along with it) and Risa, rained destruction and/or destroyed several other planets of which Vulcan, Andor, Tellar, and Qo'noS were a few of, had the Tholians, Romulans, Gorn, Breen,Kinshaya, and Tzenkethi formed a major alliance that looks to possibly be a new rival for the Federation, and GOT RID OF THE BORG ONCE AND FOR ALL. I think that rule is pretty much a non factor.
Honestly you do take things personally. Are you the younger generation? And here I thought you were in the first letter campaign to bring back TOS.
Again, you said you were old enough. Be that as it may, you do take things personally and none of it has been directed personally at you.
Who says you are the only person I've debated this with?
Did anyone say I had to believe you? That doesn't necessarily mean I think you are lying though. Again, you take things too personally when very little of it was directed at you personally, except for the skeptism. I have a right to be skeptical, if I so chose.
Those Guidelines are only for new ST authors submitting a first proposal to Pocket Books. They are not the guidelines applied to established professional writers completing manuscripts for ST fiction. And, if a first-timer's proposal is successful in getting them a gig to write for the licensed ST fiction, the new story will be worked out with the editor and may, indeed, include new relatives or even the deaths of established crewmembers, etc.
Mriana, you also apparently don't even read my posts. I said I participated in the letter-writing campaign for Firefly, not for Star Trek, and am in my mid-20s, both in posts you ACTUALLY QUOTED.
But never mind. This is long past the point of productivity.
Organized spamming? I think that has been alleged, not proven.
Is it wrong to inform fans on other boards that there is a poll here? Is this poll only open to long-time TrekBBS posters? Is there a problem with fans coming here, registering, and voting, for whatever reason? Do posters have to read the books to have an opinion about whether they would like to see Janeway return to the Voyager novels? The answer to all of those questions is "no."
^ Well of course not, but it makes the poll even more invalid than it would've been, because I didn't go organize people that want her dead to one-time register and post their opinion. No one is telling you that you did something morally indefensible, just statistically invalid.
And, with genuine curiosity and no disrespect intended, I'm wondering if you'd reply to this post: http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4002826&postcount=376
Part of what makes this argument so weird for me is that most of the pro-Janeway fans argue a lot for "bringing her back", but it seems to be more than just wanting her alive, so it's hard to tell what we're really arguing over. You're a presence I enjoy in these threads, you always argue coherently even if I disagree with all of it, and I'm wondering if you'd be willing to post your best-case-scenario moving forward.
And, with genuine curiosity and no disrespect intended, I'm wondering if you'd reply to this post: http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4002826&postcount=376
Part of what makes this argument so weird for me is that most of the pro-Janeway fans argue a lot for "bringing her back", but it seems to be more than just wanting her alive, so it's hard to tell what we're really arguing over. You're a presence I enjoy in these threads, you always argue coherently even if I disagree with all of it, and I'm wondering if you'd be willing to post your best-case-scenario moving forward.
Yeah, I think 1994 was probably the peak. It might not have been, if Generations had been a better movie. (1996 was the year with the most books, nearly 80, but a fair number of them would have been initiated around '94.)
My wife's very much a feminist and a longtime Trek fan, and she's never expressed much admiration of Janeway. She and I would probably put Susan Ivanova, Aeryn Sun, and Kira Nerys ahead of Janeway as strong, interesting women in SFTV.
Well, that means I've probably been a Trek fan longer than you, because I got into it in elementary school but I was born three years before Trek first aired. I'll resist the temptation to be condescending towards you and then pretend I've done no such thing.
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