Should they bring back Janeway?

[Thrawn]

^ Your kind and unexpected defense of me has honestly made me regret a little bit of my biting sarcasm. Thanks for the kind words.

I dunno. I'm pretty young, I'm mid-20s, but I'm probably around the age that Mriana was when Trek started to mean something to her. As I've posted many times, the recent books (especially those by Christopher Bennett and David Mack) really have meant something to me; they haven't just been entertainment, but something substantially more powerful than even I would have thought they could be.

And the fact that this woman is begrudging me that experience, and PITYING me (and apparently every Trek fan my age) for falling in love with this franchise now, just because she doesn't agree with a plot point in a book she hasn't read in a series she didn't even like...

If that's what being a "real Star Trek fan" entails, she can keep it.

 

[aelius]

I also enjoy the current path of the series. I can understand that others might not, but I would never presume to say that they were wrong for it. Everybody has different taste. In everything from food to entertainment people will like different things.
I revel in this fact, because it means that people can create what they enjoy and there will probably be somebody that enjoys it. I think they might have mentioned something along those lines in Star Trek.
Let me see... what was that? Oh yeah, IDIC.

 

[captcalhoun]

great. more MJFs. just what we needed.

and as for Janeway-being-inspiring. i always found Wilma Deering pretty damn inspirational and she was in a TV show i watched in the early 80s and dates back even further!

 

[F. King Daniel]

So? Martin Luther King is pretty damn inspiring to me, and he's dead.

Good point.

 

[Lonemagpie]

great. more MJFs. just what we needed.

And I thought I'd saved this thread by dragging it into the gutter... But to no avail, it seems.

Of course, are we sure these are actually more MJFs, and not just the same ones with the serial numbers filed off, given that they admit doing that to skew the poll...

 

[DimesDan]

As long as she doesn't come back naked though, that's one visualisation I personally could do with out.

SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!!!

I've got no idea what you're quoting me here for, maybe to make some point, but anyway, I was referring to a previous poster who thought that Janeway could come back in a similar fashion to how Doctor Daniel Jackson did in the fifth (or was it sixth) season of Stargate SG1.

You have to bring Janeway back!

Janeway is one of the most influential characters for young women out there. She represents being strong and being female.... she shows young girls that they can be in charge, that they can be smart, and that they can be respected as a person and NOT a SEX object.

I idolized Janeway as a young teen on the show, she is part of the reason that I am now in grad school to be a rocket scientist... seriously...

I love to share Janeway with my little 8 year old sister, because i know that the Janeway character empowers women. IMO, No other female character in star trek can offer that kind of idol. No other character can show young girls out there to that they can be everything they want. In charge, respected, and education... and still be a female....

Janeway is Amazing... Star Trek would be smart to bring her back...

A few years ago, I was in a relationship with a feminist, she was a bit of a sci fi fan, same as me but she had never watched any Trek, because of her world view, she borrowed my Voyager DVDs and we watched them either together or she did on her own. She hated Janeway, she was inconsistently written and did not see her as a role model for anyone. I guess there are people out there as this thread like all the others demonstrate who believe she is the second coming or similar.

I'm just curious, is it because she is a woman that these discussions get so heated?

 

[Technobuilder]

Despite what I said before... If they brought Janeway back as the Admiral of the Delta Quadrant Fleet... That could work.

Especially if Beyer was writing it and not Golden.

 

[seigezunt]

More Mama Janeway Effers, please!


*makes popcorn*

 

[elaithin]

Which pretty much completely invalidated the poll a long time ago. What I don't get is why they're even doing it. Do they think the poll's official somehow?

 

[Lonemagpie]

Which pretty much completely invalidated the poll a long time ago. What I don't get is why they're even doing it. Do they think the poll's official somehow?

According to an earlier post back in the first couple of pages of the thread, at least some of them apparently do think it's an official Pocket Books thing.

 

[Tachyon]

I don't see why not. Janeway is a great character.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I would be interested to see how both sides would react if they did bring Janeway back. I have a theory.

I think the KJD side would initially piss and moan about the reset butting getting pushed but would eventually and probably instantly get over it if the quality of the books happened to remain high.

I think the MJF would crow victoriously and then go back to not reading the books anyway.

I know that sounds assholish of me but the impression I get is that by and large the MJF weren't reading the damned books anyway and only came out of the woodwork when she was killed off. If I'm wrong I apologize but that's the impression I'm getting from reading this thread.

 

[Thrawn]

^ You're probably right about that, on both counts. I know that I, personally, just for dramatic integrity would prefer that she not be resurrected, but Beyer was able to make me really deeply care about Chakotay, and I would've thought that was impossible, so I bet if she wrote a return story for Janeway she could probably make it pretty awesome.

 

[Galekarens]

I'm a big KJ Fan, and thought it was horrible and nasty that PB killed her off, but first I was a (long-time) Trek fan and have read many Trek books, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, you name it. Have almost all of the previous Voyager books and have read most of them. I used to purchase and supportered all kinds of Trek lit, including hardcovers. But, I will not buy any more Trek books until Kathryn Janeway, the MAIN character of the TV series, is brought back. "Voyager" books are not really Voyager without her. And Voyager/KJ fans should be respected as Trek fans just like any other. And we spend money, too. GS.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I understand what you're saying about dramatic integrity and to a degree I agree with you. But there's a part of me that feels dramatic integrity would actually be served by bringing her back if Seven and Chakotay are somehow involved in her resurrection. This of course harks back to Endgame where Admiral Janeway goes back in time to save Seven and Chakotay from their untimely deaths. By having them repay the favor it's a neat little dramatic button that brings Janeway and her family full circle.

 

[Thrawn]

And to a degree I agree with you, which is why I said that I think Beyer could write a story like that and have it be awesome. But by dramatic integrity, I meant more on the larger scale; I dislike universes where, when someone awesome dies, you can just immediately think "oh well they'll be back soon; they're too awesome to die". The fact that, oh for instance Buffy the Vampire Slayer never pulled that trick and even intentionally subverted it a couple times made that universe a much more compelling place. I don't mean integrity of Janeway's storyline specifically; more how it would contribute to the general atmosphere of storytelling.

 

[AuntKate]

Janeway would not, technically, be coming back from the dead, because she is with the Q. All the characters think she's dead, but she isn't.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I understand. I do think that death shouldn't be a revolving door. I also think if you go with a resurrection it should be really earned. I for one hated Alien Resurrection but I liked how Joss Whedon made sure that Ripley's rebirth wasn't all peaches and cream. Perhaps if they did the same for Janeway and made it clear that her rebirth would have a long term cost that could never be repaid it would still keep death dangerous and dramatically sound.

 

[Thrawn]

Janeway would not, technically, be coming back from the dead, because she is with the Q. All the characters think she's dead, but she isn't.

A fact which those of us that read the books remember perfectly well, but thanks for patronizingly reminding us anyway!

 

[Thrawn]

I understand. I do think that death shouldn't be a revolving door. I also think if you go with a resurrection it should be really earned. I for one hated Alien Resurrection but I liked how Joss Whedon made sure that Ripley's rebirth wasn't all peaches and cream. Perhaps if they did the same for Janeway and made it clear that her rebirth would have a long term cost that could never be repaid it would still keep death dangerous and dramatically sound.

That's an interesting thought. Certainly, the example you mentioned of her traveling back in time to get the ship home had a long term cost - the Destiny invasion! Good point.