Exactly.
And even for informational purposes this poll is pretty useless since it doesn't show who voted for what, so for all we know a motivated individual could create countless duals and screw the vote to his/her liking.
Should they bring back Janeway?
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Exactly.
And even for informational purposes this poll is pretty useless since it doesn't show who voted for what, so for all we know a motivated individual could create countless duals and screw the vote to his/her liking.
Did that happen before or after the Stargate episode where exactly the same thing happened to Daniel Jackson?
AND, while we're at it, right now it's essentially tied. Even if each person in the poll is unique, and has 20 other friends who have exactly the same opinion who aren't showing up on here, and every person that voted would only buy books featuring the plotline they voted for, the poll indicates that from that entire group of 1700 people, there's a total sales swing of 80 copies depending on which choice is made. Meaning there's essentially no difference to Pocket's sales, if you believe the poll.
Now, clearly, the two assumptions I made are totally random and illogical... but so are any other assumptions you could make. So - the poll means nothing, and even if it did mean something, it wouldn't mean much.
Let's make everybody happy. We'll have a story where Robau and Kirk and Data and Janeway are all brought back to life to fight a resurrected Khan and Dukat and Borg Queen and Nero to finish the Temporal Cold War and reunite the original timeline and the new movie timeline and save both Vulcan and Romulus. And in a battle of great cosmic significance, the only person who has to die is, I dunno, some Suliban guy or something. So everybody except somebody nobody actually cares about lives happily ever after.
Just to clarify: when I talked about the uselessness for "informational purposes" I meant it's not even a good indicator on how the very small TrekBBS TrekLit community sees the issue.
Well, the point that this is tie-in literature and should, you know, tie-in to the series that everyone knows and loves is a valid one. I feel like if I were in charge of Trek I'd probably bring both Janeway and Data back eventually, I'd just do something weird or unexpected with it, just as Sisko was eventually brought back only to retire on Bajor and play a more mercurial role in the story. And that was 10 books into the DS9 relaunch; Janeway's been dead for 2 books so far.
Hyperbole from both sides aside (both "it will make death have no meaning" and "it will ruin Pocket if she doesn't"), I think this will probably happen eventually; it's too strong a story possibility not to. I'm just betting that, when it does, it still won't make the Janeway fans very happy. Most of the Janeway fans that post on here seem to have a very particular idea of what that character's story should be, so I see a lot of disappointment no matter what Pocket does, or when it does it.
Of course, any poll in this format is statistically meaningless because it isn't a random sampling. It's biased in favor of those members of the population who have an incentive to respond to a poll. In fact, people who dislike the status quo are more likely to respond, so the people who are against something are bound to be disproportionately represented. In this case, the percentage of readers who are against the status quo of Janeway being dead is probably far less than half.
These polls are "for entertainment purposes only," as the disclaimer goes. They're just another way for posters to express their opinions. The actual numbers are essentially meaningless.
Indeed. These days the arguments are over whether Janeway should be alive or dead, but there used to be equally obsessive and rabid arguments over whether she should be paired off with Chakotay or not.
These polls are "for entertainment purposes only," as the disclaimer goes. They're just another way for posters to express their opinions. The actual numbers are essentially meaningless.
Indeed. These days the arguments are over whether Janeway should be alive or dead, but there used to be equally obsessive and rabid arguments over whether she should be paired off with Chakotay or not.
It isn't? Who is it up to?
Thrawn, you are both right and wrong. I personally would love to have Janeway back with Chakotay much like Picard and Crusher are together. Others might want something different, but what is sure is that without her back alive we will all be disappointed and angry, not just some of us.
With life are always possibilities, with death there is only darkness and nothingness.
Brit
Possibilities for HER. There happen to be about a dozen other characters in that series, and I like their possibilities without her just fine. Better, in fact.
It all depends on your perspective.
And just how does having a living Janeway keep you from having stories about those possibilities, it doesn't. We however get nothing. Tell me how that is a fair choice.
Brit
That's not the way Janeway's death was portrayed. And that's not the way many believe death in real life is, either. There are endings, and new beginnings. It's amazing how some Trek fans want no sign of "spirituality" in Star Trek, yet they want a fantasy approach to death. Can't have it both ways. And it's not about fairness. Life and death do not deal in fairness. And those characters who meet their end in a story aren't done so in a way intended to persecute any fan.
Strangely enough, Brit, I happen to have a perfect analogy. The school I work for used to be run by a very Janeway-like woman (in the good ways; chill out Janeway-haters, she was awesome). Very much in control, in command, and pushing people to do their best; an amazing and strong leader. Our Vice Principal, under her, was just sort of a nice well-meaning fellow that would be helpful occasionally but not get to do much.
She left to become a cluster-director for a group of 7 other schools, putting him in charge, and all of a sudden he blossomed into this incredible dynamic, creative, remarkable leader with a TOTALLY different style from hers. The school culture changed a lot, but our scores and achievements stayed just as high. (I'm lucky enough to work, and contribute to, a high-performing inner-city school.) With her around, that never would have happened.
I want to see Chakotay be a leader. I genuinely don't think, if Janeway was accompanying the fleet, it would make sense to show that. He was so devoted to her that he couldn't help but be written as second fiddle. I want to know what kind of leader he is, and that's just begun to be explored.
She left to become a cluster-director for a group of 7 other schools, putting him in charge, and all of a sudden he blossomed into this incredible dynamic, creative, remarkable leader with a TOTALLY different style from hers. The school culture changed a lot, but our scores and achievements stayed just as high. (I'm lucky enough to work, and contribute to, a high-performing inner-city school.) With her around, that never would have happened.
I want to see Chakotay be a leader. I genuinely don't think, if Janeway was accompanying the fleet, it would make sense to show that. He was so devoted to her that he couldn't help but be written as second fiddle. I want to know what kind of leader he is, and that's just begun to be explored.
I LIKE this.
LOL shippers.
In the event they bring Janeway back, she doesn't have to have anything to do with Voyager's return to the Delta Quadrant. It's a big galaxy in a big post-apocalyptic shithole. There's plenty to do, while giving Chuckles and co "room to grow".
I'm for Janeway returning online because it was shown that she wasn't truely 100% dead. Then that aspect of the story would be fullfilled. But I don't think it should happen for a looooooooooong time. I'm thinking Voyagers 25 or 30 year anniversary would be good.
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