So it would be a compliment if they weren't delusional assholes.
Should Janeway have been a mother?
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What are the odds! I was just coming here to write up a thread of "If Janeway fell pregnant" because I was curious about whether her role might change if she had a baby during the series or she'd just get on with business. This should be an interesting read.
well honestly, who could say for sure. She's fictional thus at the mercy of the writers. I'd like to see business as usual but it's not entirely an accurate representation of motherhood but since Wildman dumped her kid onto neelix maybe it would!
A lot of people, even some men have been pestering the actress on this and I think in the 90's she was correct to guard Janeway. In the 90's they had bomb threats having a female captain. Could you imagine the risk of writing in a Captain comfortable with her sexuality to get away with what Kirk had? And being accepted? One who looks maternal already shagging? Probably not. I don' tknow though. I was 13 when it hit the airwaves. I only have glimpses of cultural behavior of the 90's. Today we're more open to various roles within a traditional one and open to homosexuality than we ever were in the era it was made. So now I think people are ready to see that but we're a decade too late for that with VOY.
A lot of people, even some men have been pestering the actress on this and I think in the 90's she was correct to guard Janeway. In the 90's they had bomb threats having a female captain. Could you imagine the risk of writing in a Captain comfortable with her sexuality to get away with what Kirk had? And being accepted? One who looks maternal already shagging? Probably not. I don' tknow though. I was 13 when it hit the airwaves. I only have glimpses of cultural behavior of the 90's. Today we're more open to various roles within a traditional one and open to homosexuality than we ever were in the era it was made. So now I think people are ready to see that but we're a decade too late for that with VOY.
I'm not sure what would have been gained by having Janeway leave behind kids in the AQ.
This the first I have heard about Bomb threats.
Although, I would find it more believable that if there were bombthreats, that these threats were about having an African American Captain. Is it really believable that the sexists were more violent than the racists?
Although, I would find it more believable that if there were bombthreats, that these threats were about having an African American Captain. Is it really believable that the sexists were more violent than the racists?
It was mentioned at two panels. One i was at. the other I saw on youtube. And i know I read about it but since I can't recall it, you can take it or deny it
Hmmmm.
Weirdos.
There are several points in the production that the threats could have been received, that if Paramount was going to submit to those threats, that very different steps would have had to have been taken to replace Nicole Janeway or Kathryn Janeway.
(Hmmm? I doubt that that is why Genevieve abandoned the set.)
1. Before casting. Stop looking for at women. Start looking at men.
2. After Genevieve was cast. Tell her to bugger off, or demote her character to XO, or make Nicole the Captain's wife waiting in his readyroom always with his slippers, in hand to pamper her honoured husband after a hard day fighting the Kazon.
3. Between Genevieve Running and Mulgrew answering the call to step up. Ask Jeff playing the Doctor Fitzgerald, or that dick Cavitt (No pun intended.) if they wanted to derail feminism for a decade by subbing up? Actually, does anyone know if between Bujold and Mulgrew, when the producers were just standing there agog with their dicks in their hand, if they thought about asking Alicia "Stadi" Coppola if she fancied headlining the series?
4. After the show had begun airing in the states. If it seems mean to kill the character, since it would put a nice lady out of work. How about they cripple and demote Janeway, putting her in one of those Captain Pike Chairs from the Cage?
5. Between Season one and Two. Captain Chakotay is in charge and it's never mentioned what happened to Kathryn Janeway, or where she is now.
6. At any point. The Nuclear option. A weird glowing space time cloud gender bends Kathryn Janeway into Kevin Janeway, signalling to all in the American red states and baptist pulpits, that order has been restored.
7. Scorpion. Mulgrew's position was iffy, it's why she was in a coma. A natural exit point for a lot of actors if they didn't behave. Although Janeway was probably put in a coma so that you would think that maybe she was going to get fired and not Wang. Poor Jennifer. Can I have an update on her current state of affairs? I'll google in a few minutes when I'm finished this.
8. Year of Hell. According to Before and After, Janeway dies in Year of Hell. It's prophecy, and a canon violation that she made it to the other side. Actually if Janeway was supposed to die, and they had intended on killing her, but this is the point where the sexist Bomb threats were received, it would be reason enough to reverse their 5 year plan, and NOT kill Janeway, just so Berman didn't look like a weak jello spined toad.
9. Equinox. No serious, this is a point where they almost fired Mulgrew. John Savage was a literal threat. If Kate didn't get her shit together, Ransom was going to end up in her seat and taking her pay.
10. Endgame. Yes, if this was the point that Paramount got these bomb threats about the horror of a female Captain and that the show must by cancelled or the lead must be replaced with a man, it's sorta clear that we are not dealing with Rhodes Scholars here. A regular ####ing brain trust.
(Hmmm? I doubt that that is why Genevieve abandoned the set.)
1. Before casting. Stop looking for at women. Start looking at men.
2. After Genevieve was cast. Tell her to bugger off, or demote her character to XO, or make Nicole the Captain's wife waiting in his readyroom always with his slippers, in hand to pamper her honoured husband after a hard day fighting the Kazon.
3. Between Genevieve Running and Mulgrew answering the call to step up. Ask Jeff playing the Doctor Fitzgerald, or that dick Cavitt (No pun intended.) if they wanted to derail feminism for a decade by subbing up? Actually, does anyone know if between Bujold and Mulgrew, when the producers were just standing there agog with their dicks in their hand, if they thought about asking Alicia "Stadi" Coppola if she fancied headlining the series?
4. After the show had begun airing in the states. If it seems mean to kill the character, since it would put a nice lady out of work. How about they cripple and demote Janeway, putting her in one of those Captain Pike Chairs from the Cage?
5. Between Season one and Two. Captain Chakotay is in charge and it's never mentioned what happened to Kathryn Janeway, or where she is now.
6. At any point. The Nuclear option. A weird glowing space time cloud gender bends Kathryn Janeway into Kevin Janeway, signalling to all in the American red states and baptist pulpits, that order has been restored.
7. Scorpion. Mulgrew's position was iffy, it's why she was in a coma. A natural exit point for a lot of actors if they didn't behave. Although Janeway was probably put in a coma so that you would think that maybe she was going to get fired and not Wang. Poor Jennifer. Can I have an update on her current state of affairs? I'll google in a few minutes when I'm finished this.
8. Year of Hell. According to Before and After, Janeway dies in Year of Hell. It's prophecy, and a canon violation that she made it to the other side. Actually if Janeway was supposed to die, and they had intended on killing her, but this is the point where the sexist Bomb threats were received, it would be reason enough to reverse their 5 year plan, and NOT kill Janeway, just so Berman didn't look like a weak jello spined toad.
9. Equinox. No serious, this is a point where they almost fired Mulgrew. John Savage was a literal threat. If Kate didn't get her shit together, Ransom was going to end up in her seat and taking her pay.
10. Endgame. Yes, if this was the point that Paramount got these bomb threats about the horror of a female Captain and that the show must by cancelled or the lead must be replaced with a man, it's sorta clear that we are not dealing with Rhodes Scholars here. A regular ####ing brain trust.
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I'm going to guess #1 Guy 
All they vaguely stated was "in the beginning there were bomb threats. do you remember that guys? People were nervous about a female captain." Kate didn't' flinch, so I assume she doesn't want to or that it was before the casting was set.
All they vaguely stated was "in the beginning there were bomb threats. do you remember that guys? People were nervous about a female captain." Kate didn't' flinch, so I assume she doesn't want to or that it was before the casting was set.
maybe having a black captain was upsetting enough for these "modern" (hmm probably an oxymoron) KKKers, now a female that MIGHT be black too. There are some SICK people out there. I just don't get why people are so territorial over the pigment of skin. IT IS SKIN!!! Relax. Love. In fact...mix it up bit or we'll be so genetically f'd up like German Shepards lol I love to be hit on by a latino or a black men. I find it flattering.
But this is about Janeway being a mom not bombs or ethnicity debates. I apologize for altering course. :P
But this is about Janeway being a mom not bombs or ethnicity debates. I apologize for altering course. :P
You brought new information to the table. Thank you.
That list above, substitute bomb threat for positive pregnancy test, and it still makes total and complete sense.
By this point there had been two black female Captains, but they had about 50 seconds of screen time between them.
If they truly wanted to cash in on Kate in the pilot... Mark Johnson, her fiance, should have been played by Peter Falk.
That list above, substitute bomb threat for positive pregnancy test, and it still makes total and complete sense.
By this point there had been two black female Captains, but they had about 50 seconds of screen time between them.
If they truly wanted to cash in on Kate in the pilot... Mark Johnson, her fiance, should have been played by Peter Falk.
LOL peter Falk! He should have narrated the whole series to a young boy and spared us the star wars-like scrolling of text in the beginning. then I'd like to see the boy's reaction to Endgame. (He's asleep or something)
Do you think writing in the title Mrs. Columbo implying she was 'peter falk's' wife really helped her numbers? I wouldn't think so. The story pitch was absurd.(not Peter, just the idea with the age gap) It succeeded because Kate rocked it.
Do you think writing in the title Mrs. Columbo implying she was 'peter falk's' wife really helped her numbers? I wouldn't think so. The story pitch was absurd.(not Peter, just the idea with the age gap) It succeeded because Kate rocked it.
I only saw the pilot (recently) but Mrs Columbo didn't grab me, even though it was amazing how good youth looked on Kate.
Star Trek doesn't hire super famous actors( Bakula?), it makes sorta middling actors house hold names for a few years.
Seriously because I am so young and unobservant, I was amazed that Levar Burton from Roots was the star power meant to keep the Enterprise afloat. Although if that was true, surely he would have had more lines and a larger presence on the show, especially in the early days.
Star Trek doesn't hire super famous actors( Bakula?), it makes sorta middling actors house hold names for a few years.
Seriously because I am so young and unobservant, I was amazed that Levar Burton from Roots was the star power meant to keep the Enterprise afloat. Although if that was true, surely he would have had more lines and a larger presence on the show, especially in the early days.
The only gay crewman.
We could see her as a mother. she was strongly maternal. the question is more leaning towards should she and could she given the circumstances. if you have a great writer I think anything can happen as long as it falls into our own programmed ideas. the challenge and fun is probing past those limiting blinders to expand imagination to the possibility and see what unfolds. but in the media, there's money at stake so it wasn't going to be played out. I voted no because of who was in charge of these series, but I would be curious enough to see that reality play out by a dedicated, highly imaginative writer with enough sense of what it would could be to be a woman in a high position, stuck, and navigating motherhood.
I don't know if I made sense or contradicted myself. I'm typing this in a hurry.
Chakotay's chair on the bridge would be converted into a bassinet.
Any relation to Boba Fett?
