TheLonelySquire
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I do allow for that possibility, but it's not bloody likely!
Should Americans be required to buy health insurance?
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I do allow for that possibility, but it's not bloody likely!
Bush? Conservative? He's another big government guy.
Maybe I'm tired or something but what?
They took a major leap in the Iraq War and completely missed their mark. They decided to focus on Iran when they should have focused on North Korea. They do leap without looking first.
I was giving you a parallel to your statement.
What is the national debt at the moment?
The US has health care.
Naw, the one Reid just slammed through. The one that had perhaps 24 hours exposure. Remember, these aren't all the same bills.
Mhmm, you mean the bill that was available to read on the internet?
Do you mean those town hall meetings all over your country?
Do you mean the constant debate on TV, radio and the internet?
Yeah, all that never happened.
You don't believe that I believe that you like the Patriot Act???
Mhmm, you mean the bill that was available to read on the internet?
Do you mean those town hall meetings all over your country?
Do you mean the constant debate on TV, radio and the internet?
Yeah, all that never happened.
You know one day these people will be able to make an argument on this issue without resorting to lies.
On that day I think the rest of us will die from shock.
Should also point out that the cost of health care reform is actually less than what the U.S has spend so far on Bush's Operation IraqiClusterFuck and will actually save Americans money long term and provide improved health care i.e provide tangible benefits which is more than can be said for Bush's wars.
Mhmm, you mean the bill that was available to read on the internet?
Do you mean those town hall meetings all over your country?
Do you mean the constant debate on TV, radio and the internet?
Yeah, all that never happened.
You know one day these people will be able to make an argument on this issue without resorting to lies.
On that day I think the rest of us will die from shock.
Should also point out that the cost of health care reform is actually less than what the U.S has spend so far on Bush's Operation IraqiClusterFuck and will actually save Americans money long term and provide improved health care i.e provide tangible benefits which is more than can be said for Bush's wars.
And this says it all when it comes to the basic ideological differences between Democrats and Republicans.
Democrats want to spend money to help Americans. Republicans want to spend money to kill non-Americans.
^ Well, to be fair, we only want to kill those non-Americans who would otherwise kill us first. You can't help Americans if you're dead. 
No, I think it will be old age.
^ Well, to be fair, we only want to kill those non-Americans who would otherwise kill us first. You can't help Americans if you're dead.
Oh yeah? You still think Hussein wanted to attack the US?
It's not taking control of anything. Read the bill.
CSPAN. Town Halls. It was openly debated and televised on TV. Anyone can walk into a hearing or sit in the gallery.
It was the second longest debate in US Senate history. And here's the CBO report. Congress can't wait until every single American reads something. It's easily found on Google. You wanna read it? Look it up. Don't expect the government to do it for you. Isn't that your motto?
From the CBO:
Ohhh...didn't wanna see that...did ya?
It's only 800 something pages (314,900 words), which puts it in the "normal" range for large bills using the standard guidelines for printing bills in Congress. At the old norm of 250 words per page (which is less than what Congress uses) it only comes out to 1259.6 pages, significantly less than War and Peace which comes in at 460-560,000 words.
The Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users, 2005 was 314,832 words but I don't remember too many people bitching about it's length like petulant children. Perhaps that's because it was introduced by a Republican.
It's 2000+ pages when you ramp up the font, the margins, and print on one side of the page.
Arial 14 double spaced ftw.
It's like padding an essay in college because you need to fill out
10 pages but only read enough material to fill out half.
LOTS.
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ST-One
Vice Admiral
because they cannot afford it or they've been refused coverage as they are deemed to have a pre-existing condition.
and those that do have it find their premiums, co-pays going up rapid rate while their value for money drops dramatically.
Oh I believe that but I believe you'd be wrong.
And that's why we can't have anything nice in this house.
Yes, a very small percentage. 50, er 47, er, 40, no wait, 30 million. And about 20 million of those are illegal aliens. So we're going to ruin the health care of 300 million just to give 10 million some coverage and it's going to cost 2.5T. Not including the doctor bill coming up to fill the gaps of the health care bill.
I'm appalled with the corruption in these bills. If this was such a good thing bribery wouldn't be necessary. As I keep saying, this isn't about health care.
ST-One
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Oh, if it's only 10.000.000 million people...
BTW: Nothing is ruined for those who already have health insurance.
The worst that could happen, if you implemented a system like Germany's, it that they would get the chance to enter into a system that is a lot cheaper while still having the highest of standards.
A lot of the people that have health insurance can barely afford it. We need to help those people out, too.
And as numerous anecdotal examples in this thread alone show, even a lot of people who have health insurance apparently have pretty crappy health care in the US.
or have health insurers who retroactively cancel policies after a procedure that would of been covered has been carried out.
but that doesn't matter to the fuck-you-I've-got-mine crowd who are so opposed to health care reform.
It would be poetic justice if they picked up something nasty from some who contagious because they'd been denied coverage which then lead to a loss of coverage and big out of pocket expenses.
Yup, only. If these people can't get insurance through work them perhaps the Democrats can start a charity fund to pay for the health care. Then anyone can voluntarily contribute. Or they can just fix medicare and cover those people that way. But better to make people uncomfortable in their poverty so they decide to better themselves.
Yeah, that'd be a NOPE.
You have the audacity to tell people who have health care issues that they don't have them? Really?
