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Should a new Stargate show be a reboot or a revival?

Should a new Stargate show be a reboot or a revival?


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I have the opposite take, I can still remember seeing the sights and sounds from the theater. The way the ships, guards, weapons, the gate, the ring, the costumes and so on are done were quite memorable from the movie.

Wow. I found the movie derivative and tedious. Hardly anything happened, because the pace was so glacial and the ideas so minimal. Your typical episode of Stargate SG-1 crammed more ideas into its first ten minutes than the movie managed in two hours.


I really need to go back at some point and give the series another chance but I just remember a lot of villages with lots of pine trees and finding it dull a lot of the time. Looking at some clips from Youtube it does seem there's a chunk of good stuff that I've dismissed that I'd have to review again before making some final judgment but that was my gut reaction to the question.

I don't think you can blame a show for the production and logistical limitations it's obliged to work under. It couldn't help but reuse the forests outside Vancouver a lot, any more than Star Trek could help reusing Vasquez Rocks and Bronson Canyon a lot. What matters are the stories they manage to tell against those backdrops.
 
I personally find it fun seeing the omnipresent Vancouver pine forest show up in so many TV shows and movies.
 
Revival.. 120%
They kind of tried a "reboot" into a more darker, serious tone with Universe, and it Killed the Franchise.
Atlantis was making them money, but no "Accolades" like Battlestar Galactica was giving them, and Atlantis was watched by ALOT more people the BG.. but they went the Universe route and people including me, bailed..

Yes, I know, MGM's many problems helped kill it.

Atlantis could have run for many more years, and a follow up to Universe, and a general followup to the overall franchise is to me much needed, as, SG1 and Atlantis were FUN!! Something along the lines of Strange New Worlds in Star Trek, People having fun, more of an Indiana Jones Action Adventure.
And with the shorter seasons, you'd have say 10 episodes with more money, less filler.

Plus, those of you who want to go "Back to Basics" of them going around in just the Stargate.. there is Literally 7-8 seasons of 20+ episodes with just that premise.. they moved on because there's nothing left to tell with that premise..

Try the Revival, if it goes tits up, then hey, we tried, move on in say 5 years and reboot it to whatever you like.

If someone wants to do a more serious, darker take on a "Current Level" Earth vs. the universe, then they can make an entire new show, the path Stargate has tread is quite well worn.. If you want to make a totally different take, call it something else, and let the people who love SG1-verse, have there cakey to.

Joe Flannagan on Shuttle pod, good watch and good information on what was up at that time.

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Reboot, Stargate towards the end had humans WAY to advanced and powerful. They didn't even need the gates anymore for interstellar travel and humans defeated powerful alien civilizations left and right.
 
I personally find it fun seeing the omnipresent Vancouver pine forest show up in so many TV shows and movies.

They actually handwaved it in an early episode by having Teal'c claim that the Goa'uld had terraformed multiple planets with similar Earthlike environments. Although in the context of later continuity, it would've had to be the Ancients who did that, and Teal'c must have bought into Goa'uld propaganda.


Reboot, Stargate towards the end had humans WAY to advanced and powerful. They didn't even need the gates anymore for interstellar travel and humans defeated powerful alien civilizations left and right.

They did advance rather fast, but for such a long-running series, it's good that the premise did evolve over time. And I'd rather see a further evolution than a reset to a status quo we've already seen.

After all, there's much more to the premise than just Earth's technology. There are the characters, the cultures, the continuity threads that could be picked up on. I know, I'm usually the guy complaining about an overdependence on references to past continuity, but as with most things, the key is to find the right balance. You can have too much continuity or too little. The SG shows built such a large, rich continuity that it would be a shame to abandon it all.

Although even as I say that, I recall that I've often argued in favor of rebooting Star Trek, and I wonder why I feel differently here. I guess it's because in the case of ST, it's set in the future, and a lot of its leftover 1960s concepts feel very dated, as is its portrayal of 20th- and early 21st-century history (although Strange New Worlds recently handwaved that away with some temporal shenanigans). SG is set in the present, so that's not an issue. I guess it's also that SG still has a smaller, shorter-lived canon than ST, and I feel it was cut short prematurely.
 
They did advance rather fast, but for such a long-running series, it's good that the premise did evolve over time. And I'd rather see a further evolution than a reset to a status quo we've already seen.

After all, there's much more to the premise than just Earth's technology. There are the characters, the cultures, the continuity threads that could be picked up on. I know, I'm usually the guy complaining about an overdependence on references to past continuity, but as with most things, the key is to find the right balance. You can have too much continuity or too little. The SG shows built such a large, rich continuity that it would be a shame to abandon it all.
The problem for me is that they advanced so far that the premise became obsolete. The Stargate on earth isn't necessary anymore for interstellar travel, it is convenient to use but they can hop on a spaceship pretty much anytime and travel to the Andromeda galaxy in 3 weeks which means they could traverse our galaxy in a day and that's in a non emergency when they don't push the TPM boost button ans travel to Atlantic in a few days.
With the Asgardian and Ancient technology humans in the Stargate universe are now more advanced than humanity in Star Trek, that's not evolving the premise, that's ditching the premise and doing something completely different.
 
The problem for me is that they advanced so far that the premise became obsolete. The Stargate on earth isn't necessary anymore for interstellar travel, it is convenient to use but they can hop on a spaceship pretty much anytime and travel to the Andromeda galaxy in 3 weeks which means they could traverse our galaxy in a day and that's in a non emergency when they don't push the TPM boost button ans travel to Atlantic in a few days.
With the Asgardian and Ancient technology humans in the Stargate universe are now more advanced than humanity in Star Trek, that's not evolving the premise, that's ditching the premise and doing something completely different.
It was still incredibly interesting as an evolution of the premise, especially since it moved Earth in as a galactic power in believable way. That was the best part to me about SG-1. Less so about Atlantis.
 
It was still incredibly interesting as an evolution of the premise, especially since it moved Earth in as a galactic power in believable way. That was the best part to me about SG-1. Less so about Atlantis.
And if the show was still running I'd have no problem with them continuing what they started but doing a new show that starts with earth as a galactic power is more Star Trek or Babylon 5 than it is Stargate.
 
And if the show was still running I'd have no problem with them continuing what they started but doing a new show that starts with earth as a galactic power is more Star Trek or Babylon 5 than it is Stargate.
Hence my interest in a reboot.

But, yes Stargate could easily be an earlier version of Star Trek, with its Earth ships and building political alliances.
 
The problem for me is that they advanced so far that the premise became obsolete.

But that's just what's interesting about it -- the franchise grew beyond its beginnings, the same way Star Trek grew beyond the Enterprise (though it's now circled back to it) and Doctor Who's spinoffs grew beyond the TARDIS. We're not talking about one series, we're talking about a whole multi-series universe. So there's room to do new, fresh approaches within the same continuity. A reboot would just be redoing what SG-1 did. A new series in the SG-1/Atlantis/Universe continuity could be about anything.


The Stargate on earth isn't necessary anymore for interstellar travel, it is convenient to use but they can hop on a spaceship pretty much anytime and travel to the Andromeda galaxy in 3 weeks which means they could traverse our galaxy in a day and that's in a non emergency when they don't push the TPM boost button ans travel to Atlantic in a few days.

They have shuttlecraft in Star Trek, but they still use transporters routinely. Don't underestimate the value of convenience.


With the Asgardian and Ancient technology humans in the Stargate universe are now more advanced than humanity in Star Trek, that's not evolving the premise, that's ditching the premise and doing something completely different.

Of course it's evolving the premise. The very foundation of Stargate's premise is humans exploiting an ancient alien technology far more advanced than our own to serve our purposes. Part of the explicit mission of the SGC was to acquire and reverse-engineer further alien technology for human use. What you're describing is the successful achievement of what was always the end goal of that mission. Maybe it went implausibly fast, but that's merely a difference of degree, not of kind.

And I still don't see how doing something different is a bad thing. Isn't The Mandalorian different from the Skywalker Saga? Wasn't Deep Space Nine different from TOS & TNG?


And if the show was still running I'd have no problem with them continuing what they started but doing a new show that starts with earth as a galactic power is more Star Trek or Babylon 5 than it is Stargate.

With the key difference that it's set in the present day. Earth being a galactic power now, with our current culture and national divisions and political and social tensions, is a very different concept from a united Earth being a galactic power centuries in the future. That contrast between the contemporary setting and the futuristic, spacey concepts was always what made SG distinct from the other big space franchises. (Although it would have to be an alternate-present kind of thing, since I wouldn't want it all to still be secret from the public, as I discussed earlier). And Earth being an upstart galactic power exploiting other species' technology that we rushed into using with only a limited understanding of it has plenty of story potential that doesn't exist in series about a future humanity that developed the technology on its own.


I'm not against reboots in principle, but the question is, what would a reboot have to offer in this case? If you strip it down to first principles, the Stargate concept is pretty basic: there's a hole you can step through to other worlds. Okay, what else you got? If it were just a rehash of the movie's Ancient Egypt cliches, that's yawn-worthy. The original movie was as much a piece of schlock as the rest of the Devlin-Emmerich canon; it was what Glassner, Wright, and Cooper did with it in the series that made it worthwhile. So I don't trust the idea of stripping it back to its foundations without using the ideas the series added. And I like the television SG-verse enough that I want to see how it's evolved since we last saw it.
 
Wasn't there a book series early on in the 90s that followed up strictly from the movieverse, and only had the one stargate that went from Earth to Abydos? Has anyone read them? Were they any good?
 
Wasn't there a book series early on in the 90s that followed up strictly from the movieverse, and only had the one stargate that went from Earth to Abydos? Has anyone read them? Were they any good?
I heard they were ok. On my reading list.
 
I don't know personally i would like a back to basics show but I also would like to see the old gang again.

They could always do what Battlestar Galactica or The Flash did and either bring in past actors as new characters, or as different, yet similiar versions of the characters they previously played.
 
Wasn't there a book series early on in the 90s that followed up strictly from the movieverse, and only had the one stargate that went from Earth to Abydos? Has anyone read them? Were they any good?

Yes, a 5-book series by Bill McCay released from 1995-99 -- which was technically a sequel to the movie's novelization, using its terms and concepts even when they conflicted with the movie (like making O'Neil a Marine). I never read them myself, but you can read descriptions and reviews here: https://www.gateworld.net/books/movies/
 
The problem for me is that they advanced so far that the premise became obsolete. The Stargate on earth isn't necessary anymore for interstellar travel, it is convenient to use but they can hop on a spaceship pretty much anytime and travel to the Andromeda galaxy in 3 weeks which means they could traverse our galaxy in a day and that's in a non emergency when they don't push the TPM boost button ans travel to Atlantic in a few days.
With the Asgardian and Ancient technology humans in the Stargate universe are now more advanced than humanity in Star Trek, that's not evolving the premise, that's ditching the premise and doing something completely different.
All they have to do is declare that the Asgard and Ancient technology couldn't be reproduced as reliably as they thought. It turned out to be glitchy, buggy, instable, or what have you ... problems that weren't obvious at first, but built up over time. After the loss of a few ships on intergalactic voyages, they had to shelve the really advanced stuff until it could be redeveloped with greater understanding.

So, a new show could feature advanced technology, FTL, and so on — but not the sort of thing we saw in the last few seasons. Exploration is still dependent on the Stargate because it's still faster and more reliable than anything else. Problem solved.
 
Why reboot it? If you want a Stargate only show, just rewatch the the series.
Even if they Revive it, they'll still use the Stargate, Still plenty of planets to explore in our galaxy and others.
A new series would have a new team, probably based on Earth, have a few people from the old show in command positions, and have a new enemy.
Atlantis done well with still using the Stargate and having ships, even Gate Ships.

I just don't see a reason to "Reboot" it.. You would just retread already made TV, and alot of the old fanbase.. wouldn't watch it. so your "In Built" audience that studios want, would disapear.
The show isn't THAT old.
 
All they have to do is declare that the Asgard and Ancient technology couldn't be reproduced as reliably as they thought. It turned out to be glitchy, buggy, instable, or what have you ... problems that weren't obvious at first, but built up over time. After the loss of a few ships on intergalactic voyages, they had to shelve the really advanced stuff until it could be redeveloped with greater understanding.

So, a new show could feature advanced technology, FTL, and so on — but not the sort of thing we saw in the last few seasons. Exploration is still dependent on the Stargate because it's still faster and more reliable than anything else. Problem solved.

I still don't see how it's a problem at all. Yes, the premise grew beyond the Stargates, but how is it bad for a premise to grow and evolve?

One of my pet peeves of sci-fi TV is the tendency to try to keep the state of the world unchanged, whether by keeping things secret from the public or by hitting reset buttons on major advances. In prose science fiction, exploring how human life is transformed by new inventions or discoveries is generally the point of the exercise. Refusing to explore change is one of the biggest shortfalls of mass-media science fiction compared to prose SF. Long-running series should allow their universes to evolve and grow.

More basically, I don't see why it should be an either-or choice between Stargate travel and ship travel. It's not like people stopped using roads when air travel became common. The Stargate network is the highway system of the galaxy. It's always going to be in use as a quicker and easier alternative to starships. They're complementary, not competitive.
 
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