Should 1701-PHASE II REFIT design have been used in TMP/WOK/SFS?

[Lestatdelc]

I never liked the glowy bussard collectors in any ship that was not the original TOS ship or a ship with similar round engines.

I too share that sentiment. To be honest, I have always felt that the TOS nacelles were the only ones that could get away with the lit Bussard fronts. I have grudging acclimatized myself to the Galaxy-class big E having lit fronts of the nacelle, but that is more attrition over the past several decades than an actual aesthetic liking of them.

I have always preferred the idea of the Enterprise-refit nacelles, which have the front-slatted coiled magnets on the nose of the nacelles to drew particles into the side Bussard collector intakes (referred to in the David Kimble "official blueprints" from TMP as the "magnatomic flux constriction-first stage").

 

[Maurice]

Maurice, I checked their rules and they allow for this.

Good to know!

 

[TrickyDickie]

Just turned up some additional info here, including the following images:

http://beyondthemarquee.com/21244

Those figures look like Sasquatch.

 

[Lestatdelc]

Just turned up some additional info here, including the following images:

http://beyondthemarquee.com/21244

The front/stern as well as the bottom view drawings by Richard Taylor are two of the blueprints I got at auction last year. I have high-resolution scans of them that I will be posting eventually on my website, in a manner similar to how I have done for some of them already such as some of the Lesilie Ekker and Andrew Probert production sketches I have also acquired. Just haven't gotten around to the others as of yet.

Sketchy Engineering - post about the Harold Michaelson set drawing:

A Super(structure) Workout - post about the Leslie Ekker production sketch:

Locating Some VIPs - post about the Andrew Probert production sketch:

 

[TrickyDickie]

This illustration shows that they retained the markings for the supposed landing gear:

 

[TrickyDickie]

From another PR image:

 

[TrickyDickie]

One of the best images of the older version:

It was used for The Search for Spock trading cards in 1984:

And for The Official Star Trek Quiz Book in 1985:

 

[TrickyDickie]

A couple more uses:

 

[Peach Wookiee]

TrickyDickie, please try and wait for responses or use the edit feature on your posts. You shouldn't quadruple, triple or double post, if at all possible. Thank you.

 

[TrickyDickie]

^^^ So noted.

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I have been trying to find the cover and inside page of the old Bananas magazine and finally did:

Plus a couple of more seldom-seen images:

Edit: Good view of the aztec on the saucer:

 

[saddestmoon]

Hmmm... pulled out my Furuta 1701 TMP Refit (smaller model), and realised it looks markedly different to the larger 1701-A, that Furuta made, earlier.

The smaller TMP version appears to have the upper and lower bridge some detailing / structures, as seen on the Promo and star log material - posted earlier in this thread.

Initially I thought Furuta might have cheapened out on the smaller model - hence the different saucer profiles - however I’m now leaning to the idea that Furuta used an earlier version of the Refit 1701 as a reference point for their model.

When you compare the detail of the USS Excelsior they also produced in a smaller scale, it suggests the small scaled Refit Enterprise model is referencing an actual design, and not simplified down, thus a smaller scale (and distorted / inaccurate) 1701.

Thoughts?

 

[Robert April]

Two points. First, if you put all the different iterations of the Enterprise side-by-side, the Phase 2 model would make a better refit, with the -A being a brand new ship Enterprise class vs. Constitution class. Too late to change it now...As far as the A being a renamed Yorktown. Isn't the Yorktown in the beginning of ST IV? At headquarters, they state "Get me the Yorktown!" They don't really state how much time passes from the crew's sentencing to showing the A. I just don't see them renaming the Yorktown so soon after what I'm assuming is it's captain talking about being powerless and deploying a solar sail. Thoughts?

PS - for the record, to me the best looking NCC-1701 is the refit TMP version.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It would appear the poor Captain and his crew were punished. Why would Starfleet erase the USS Yorktown's illustrious history, allegedly, and legacy just to make James T. Kirk happy??? Would the Captain even accept his ship being taken over by James Kirk and simply stripping it from its existence and re-stamping it as Enterprise??? I would believe Starfleet had some sense of respect for their officers and wouldn't even think of such a disrespectful approach, maybe in this forum it would appropriate but I can't see this distasteful manner. I believe the Constitution Class vessel was well underway for a full commission and Starfleet decided to christen it as Enterprise.

 

[BK613]

In my headcanon it is the Federation Council that's behind all the 1701-A naming/numbering shenanigans, not Starfleet (Starfleet being subordinate to its civilian authority would have no choice but to follow its will.) After all, both the demotion and the command assignment came from the Council. Why not the name and number as well? Seems to me what a bunch of politicians would do.

FEDERATION PRESIDENT: James T. Kirk. ...It is the judgment of this Council that you be reduced in rank to Captain, ...and that, as a consequence of your new rank, you be given the duties for which you have repeatedly demonstrated unswerving ability, the command of a starship.​

 

[Timo]

Why would Starfleet erase the USS Yorktown's illustrious history, allegedly, and legacy just to make James T. Kirk happy???

Erase? Real navies feel the opposite when renaming ships: the formerly illustrious HMS Illustrious may be renamed Garbage Scow IIb exactly because the worthy name deserves to be reassigned to a worthier vessel, say, the newest dreadnought that leaves the formerly great but currently useless older ironclad in its shadow.

This would be a fitting juncture to move the name and heritage of the Yorktown from an outdated Constitution to a modern Excelsior, what with the Whale Probe having fried the older ship and, for all we know, killed every single one of the crew...

Would the Captain even accept his ship being taken over by James Kirk and simply stripping it from its existence and re-stamping it as Enterprise???

Hmh? If he did not, he'd be a disgrace to the service, unfit to command any other vessel, including Garbage Scow IIb. It's not his place to protest. More importantly, it's not his heritage to hog. If he personally did good on the Yorktown, he may go on doing so on the Repugnant now.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

The Phase II Enterprise is a good ship. For a TV series in 1978.

They made the right call by switching up to the TMP Enterprise for an actual movie.

 

[Noname Given]

Wow - 3 year old Zombie thread resurrected - I guess the Trek universe and The walking Dead universe DO cross paths at times

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Since this discussion is serving a good purpose, I'll leave it open. But please, keep in mind that threads not posted in for over a year are considered past their "use by" date.

 

[publiusr]

I love the images—so this is a good thread

 

[Maurice]

If you actually look at the model they were building for the 1978 TV show it's overall not much closer to the original than the movie model is. The saucer is already bigger, the engineering hull rounder. The main things that resemble the original are the bridge superstructure, the impulse engine and the hangar doors...and the lack of lighting arrays.