Should 1701-PHASE II REFIT design have been used in TMP/WOK/SFS?
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Enterprise 1701-PHASE II Refit design
Wrong nacelle caps for the Phase II model.
Yep. And @Shaw claims the sensor dish wasn't going to look like that (albeit he never indicated where he got that information).
Do you think the bussard collectors should have been lit up blue like this 1978 Phase II artwork or red in TMP 1701-Refit?
Or no, just as it appeared without being lit in TMP.
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Agree. Red bussard collectors.
I have that one.
Bussard collectors? I don't remember that on the David Kimble poster! Sounds a little Next Generationy...
Yes, I used the NG term for the front of the nacelle because Space Energy Matter Sink just does not sound as good.
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"Collector" does sound a lot less kitchen-y than "sink" however
just get all NASAfied and say the SEMS connects to the SEFS on revision 4 modulated to the stage one MFCs. This is all subject to the approval of PDR by the ASAT. Entire MPS structure to be ejected from Pylons in event of unexpected LOM, LOC, or MECO.Yes, I used the NG term for the front of the nacelle, but Space Energy Matter Sink just does not sound as good.
The TMP version of the Enterprise-refit is, IMNSHO the definitive Enterprise. While the Phase II version made some cool and interesting improvements over the TOS version (aka the Constitution-class) of the Enterprise, the refinements and changes that Bridge superstructure from what was originally designed by Richard Taylor (Astra Images) introduced (mainly the reworking of the nacelles) I think make it it the most visually arresting version of the vessel. He along with Andrew Probert (who was under his direction) were mainly responsible for most of the look of the refit. Though some changes were "forced" on them from others like Harold Michelson (the film's art director) insisting on addition of the Rec. Deck windows in the saucer, etc. as shown here (image courtesy of Forgotten Trek:
Taylor's original bridge superstructure and lower sensor dome treatments (both in design and as originally built) on the TMP refit looks far more like the Phase II than what was the modified version which ended up in the film. Below is Taylor's original drawings used by Jim Dow to build the model at Magicam from:
Below you can see Dow working on the model with the original Taylor bridge superstructure—with its dual side docking ports—in place on the model:
Those bridge and lower sensor dome parts (along with a few others) were modified from what was still present in early test footage and PR shots, before Robert Abel & Associates (RA&A) were basically fired and Doug Trumbull's Entertainment Effects Group (EEG) took over the VFX and divided up the work between themselves and John Dykstra over at Apogee. Here is a PR shot used in a cover for the movie poster book just as the movie came out:
And for Starlog (issue number #30) which was its Star Trek movie preview issue, which has the original Taylor bridge and lower sensor domes in place:
The precise timing of—and who initiated—the bridge superstructure redesign has been a little hard to pin down.
There are conflicting versions of how this bridge exterior redesign came about.
Some people have stated that it was initiated by Trumbull after RA&A were removed from the production in early February of 1979.
However it seems that a redesign of it was already in the works before then given that you can see a good portion of the Bridge dome and housing redesign in what is sort of interim configuration in the concept drawing shown below:
That drawing was done by Andrew Probert and dated January 10, 1979.
You can see in it the basic contours of the new bridge dome and housing, though some of the detailing would be later refined and altered. However the 2-3 deck portion of the superstructure in Probert’s concept sketch retains many of the elements present in the original Taylor design. Elements such as the port and starboard docking ports, the overall “round” shape, the lack of the recessed alcove for porthole and lounge windows, etc.
Taylor's original bridge superstructure and lower sensor dome treatments (both in design and as originally built) on the TMP refit looks far more like the Phase II than what was the modified version which ended up in the film. Below is Taylor's original drawings used by Jim Dow to build the model at Magicam from:
Below you can see Dow working on the model with the original Taylor bridge superstructure—with its dual side docking ports—in place on the model:
Those bridge and lower sensor dome parts (along with a few others) were modified from what was still present in early test footage and PR shots, before Robert Abel & Associates (RA&A) were basically fired and Doug Trumbull's Entertainment Effects Group (EEG) took over the VFX and divided up the work between themselves and John Dykstra over at Apogee. Here is a PR shot used in a cover for the movie poster book just as the movie came out:
And for Starlog (issue number #30) which was its Star Trek movie preview issue, which has the original Taylor bridge and lower sensor domes in place:
The precise timing of—and who initiated—the bridge superstructure redesign has been a little hard to pin down.
There are conflicting versions of how this bridge exterior redesign came about.
Some people have stated that it was initiated by Trumbull after RA&A were removed from the production in early February of 1979.
However it seems that a redesign of it was already in the works before then given that you can see a good portion of the Bridge dome and housing redesign in what is sort of interim configuration in the concept drawing shown below:
That drawing was done by Andrew Probert and dated January 10, 1979.
You can see in it the basic contours of the new bridge dome and housing, though some of the detailing would be later refined and altered. However the 2-3 deck portion of the superstructure in Probert’s concept sketch retains many of the elements present in the original Taylor design. Elements such as the port and starboard docking ports, the overall “round” shape, the lack of the recessed alcove for porthole and lounge windows, etc.
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Starlog also had this:
ASTRA was not fired all at once. According to the timeline laid out in by Jeffrey Kaye in the New West article "Abel Neglex Trex Efex"... 1979 Mar 26:
- Just before Xmas 1978 Abel informed Paramount he needs $12 mil more to finish the effects ($6 mil already spent)
- Somewhere afterwards Paramount's vice-prez and executive production manager Lindsey Parson Jr. organized a task force to reorganize the special optical effects effort, resulting in Trumbull in overall charge, with Yuricich in charge of matte paintings and Bill Millar assigned miniature photography, with Abel being left with only graphics and flat art.
- Jan 22, 1979 Abel informed his staff they were out of the picture
- Feb 20, 1979 Abel work screened for determination of how much could be used, decision made that only the wormhole stuff was usable
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Eaglemoss recently released a large model of the classic movie Enterprise with the original upper domes. But they marketed it as the Enterprise-A with hull lettering to match, leaving fandom... unhappy.
@Shaw claimed they would be lit, but he's never to my knowledge articulated a source for that assertion.
TMP non-lit engine fronts was a good look. I never liked the glowy bussard collectors in any ship that was not the original TOS ship or a ship with similar round engines. I really wish they had kept the closed and non-glowing engine fronts for TNG-era ships.
Do you think the bussard collectors should have been lit up blue like this 1978 Phase II artwork or red in TMP 1701-Refit?
Or no, just as it appeared without being lit in TMP.
Maurice, I checked their rules and they allow for this.
