Spoilers She-Hulk: Attorney at Law discussion thread

[Avalon]

Another possibility is that The Contessa is the one that leaked it to maintain some control over Blonsky, because of course he's on her recruiting wishlist. I mean he's not liable to be interested in coming to work for her if he's happy on his private groupie commune. (That's assuming of course that the "seven soulmates" isn't code for the Thunderbolts, and he's been clandestinely corresponding with The Contessa through the prison pen-pal system since he got transferred out of the SHIELD cryo-cell.)

That's my thought, too -- Val gets him into trouble so she can swoop in and "fix it for him" by offering to take him onto the Thunderbolts instead of back to a cryo cell. And as far as letter-writing, I doubt it would be the first time Val's catfished someone.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Emil was with the Sorcerer Supreme.

Arguably the highest legal authority on the planet.

At some point in the last 500 years, the Sorcerer Supreme might have considered formalizing their position with the US Government or Hydra?

Hydra controlled the world since the first steps of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the World Security Council in the 1950s or 1960s, and a telepath who can see the future would be well aware of that.

 

[theenglish]

Not at all. The timeline goes like this:

- Somebody's been holding on to that bootleg footage of the pit fight from months ago, saw the news story about Blonsky's coming parole hearing, and decided now was the perfect time to leak it to the press and derail Blonsky's bid for freedom.

I hadn't thought of that possibility--good catch. I too was thinking they made a continuity error.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

One thing that's cool about the MCU is how they've completely rejected the secret alter ego. And they did it in the first movie, the moment Tony Stark admitted in a press conference to being Ironman. Before that, the staple of every superhero movie was the need to stay anonymous. In this entire universe nobody questions that almost every superhero is publicly connected to their real name. One line in the first Ironman destroyed the entire cliche.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

One thing that's cool about the MCU is how they've completely rejected the secret alter ego. And they did it in the first movie, the moment Tony Stark admitted in a press conference to being Ironman. Before that, the staple of every superhero movie was the need to stay anonymous. In this entire universe nobody questions that almost every superhero is publicly connected to their real name. One line in the first Ironman destroyed the entire cliche.

Aside from Spider-Man, of course, since that's a major component of his story.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

One thing that's cool about the MCU is how they've completely rejected the secret alter ego. And they did it in the first movie, the moment Tony Stark admitted in a press conference to being Ironman. Before that, the staple of every superhero movie was the need to stay anonymous. In this entire universe nobody questions that almost every superhero is publicly connected to their real name. One line in the first Ironman destroyed the entire cliche.

well almost. Daredevil and Spider-Man are both keeping their secret ids.

 

[Noname Given]

One thing that's cool about the MCU is how they've completely rejected the secret alter ego. And they did it in the first movie, the moment Tony Stark admitted in a press conference to being Ironman. Before that, the staple of every superhero movie was the need to stay anonymous. In this entire universe nobody questions that almost every superhero is publicly connected to their real name. One line in the first Ironman destroyed the entire cliche.

But, that was a change from the script as written. RDJ ad-libbed the "I am Iron Man" bit but to John Favreau and Marvel Studio' credit back then, they liked what it did for the scene and the end of the film and went with it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I hadn't thought of that possibility--good catch. I too was thinking they made a continuity error.

So far there have been no
statements made by Emil Blonsky's attorney

after shocking footage leaked
showing the Abomination

participating in what appears to be
an underground fight club

after having somehow escaped from prison.

Oh. That sucks.

"Escaped from prison" seems final.

Opposed to got a 48 hour pass from prison.

I think he's out.

How can he be charged in American Courts for things he did in China?

What if Wong can "borrow" the Thunderbolts to save the world if Sorcerer Supreme is a rank recognized by the US Government?

 

[theenglish]

Overall I really like that this is not an "action" series--while I am expecting some action scenes, I am hoping that they don't dominate the story and that even the finale plays more like an episode of Boston Legal than a Marvel movie.

As for my earlier WW Hulk comments, this episode really opens up some new possibilities and we may actually get a World War Hulk movie.

 

[Reverend]

Aside from Spider-Man, of course, since that's a major component of his story.

Quite so.
I think it would be more accurate to say that the MCU has rejected secret identities as being a given, or a default state of affairs for superheroes, and instead treating it instead on a more sensible case-by-case basis.
I can see Kamala's identity being protected by Carol if for no other reason than her age. Come to think of it, it would make sense for the Sokovia Accords to have some clause for under age enhanced to at least have their identity semi-protected once registered. The same may have been true for Peter before that spell made it redundant since Tony seemed to be taking responsibility for him.

Daredevil's identity presumably remains unknown since he's one of the few actual old school street vigilantes in the franchise. Given that it's not even obvious that he's enhanced, DODC may not have even bothered getting involved; instead leaving him for the NYPD to real with. Jessica Jones & Luke Cage have always existed more or less in the open. I forget what Danny's situation was, but it's not like anyone cares anyway. Daisy was outed fairly early on too FWIW.
And then of course there's Moon Knight who has secret identities to spare (even some from himself) so that's par for the course.

 

[Mage]

Daredevil's identity presumably remains unknown since he's one of the few actual old school street vigilantes in the franchise. Given that it's not even obvious that he's enhanced, DODC may not have even bothered getting involved; instead leaving him for the NYPD to real with. Jessica Jones & Luke Cage have always existed more or less in the open. I forget what Danny's situation was, but t's not like anyone care anyway. Daisy was outed fairly early on too FWIW.
And then of course there's Moon Knight who has secret identities to spare (even some from himself) so that's par for the course.

There's also conflict of interest for Mat. He is supposed to uphold the law as a lawyer but breaks the rules as a vigilante. People would either not want him as a lawyer because they feel he stands outside of the law, or they approach him not to defend them in court but go and kicks some ass as DareDevil. Mat's whole purpose is that he can help people but through the law but also outside of it with his dual identity.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's also conflict of interest for Mat. He is supposed to uphold the law as a lawyer but breaks the rules as a vigilante. People would either not want him as a lawyer because they feel he stands outside of the law, or they approach him not to defend them in court but go and kicks some ass as DareDevil. Mat's whole purpose is that he can help people but through the law but also outside of it with his dual identity.

Matt Murdoch is a human Polygraph.

No matter the verdict, he knows who is guilty and who is innocent.

When the Guilty go free, he deals to them.

Vigilante over in DC Comics, but obviously not Vigilante in Peacemaker, is a Judge, who allows the guilty to go free so that he can kill them.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Overall I really like that this is not an "action" series--while I am expecting some action scenes, I am hoping that they don't dominate the story and that even the finale plays more like an episode of Boston Legal than a Marvel movie.

As for my earlier WW Hulk comments, this episode really opens up some new possibilities and we may actually get a World War Hulk movie.

I would have loved a Boston Legal Allan and Denny on the balcony style with Jen and Bruce at his bar in the end credits.

Or, really embrace the meta and get Shatner and Spader doing a scene at Bruce's bar doing a Denny & Allan like conversation about their firm handling the estimates on Jen's damage to the lab for Pepper.

 

[Reverend]

There's also conflict of interest for Mat. He is supposed to uphold the law as a lawyer but breaks the rules as a vigilante. People would either not want him as a lawyer because they feel he stands outside of the law, or they approach him not to defend them in court but go and kicks some ass as DareDevil. Mat's whole purpose is that he can help people but through the law but also outside of it with his dual identity.

Exactly. His dual identity is core to his character and is necessary for him to continue to live as he does.
The same is not true for Jessica Jones for example. She's a PI who can lift a car with one hand. There's no conflict of interest or impediment to her vocation (aside from insurance liabilities and having a police record as thick as Hulk's biceps.) She's not really a vigilante either, so there's little reason to hide what she can do.
Moving up a tier; there's no point in either the likes of Thor or Captain America to have a secret identity, even though they did in the comics. It's redundant and was only done mostly out of genre conventions at the time. Also it was from a time where there weren't cameras literally everywhere, and the idea of people legitimately pulling off secret identities without being doxed by some determined subreddit inside of a week was actually plausible.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

well almost. Daredevil and Spider-Man are both keeping their secret ids.

DD is getting a D+ series based on "Born Again" so it may not be so likely that he is keeping his secret.

That his third Netflix season was based on the Born Again story in the comics is going to make the continuity interesting. If D+ is going straight into that arc, it needs to recognize the Netflix series, or else everyone would be "Daredevil who?"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Matt Murdoch

Murdock. He's not part of that other family

 

[Skywalker]

DD is getting a D+ series based on "Born Again" so it may not be so likely that he is keeping his secret.

That his third Netflix season was based on the Born Again story in the comics is going to make the continuity interesting. If D+ is going straight into that arc, it needs to recognize the Netflix series, or else everyone would be "Daredevil who?"

They could also just be using the "Born Again" title but not really doing much with the actual arc, like they did with Age of Ultron. It could also just be a cheeky reference to him officially joining the MCU, like what they did with the title for Spider-Man: Homecoming.

 

[Saul]

Liking the second episode and where it's going. The only thing I brushed up against was the overly cliche twat that says "There's a hot chick over there, I'm going to go talk to it." Who the hell would even be around this guy or at least not call them out on that sh*t, especially since you have a She Hulk that could crush him. Why let that slide.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They could also just be using the "Born Again" title but not really doing much with the actual arc, like they did with Age of Ultron. It could also just be a cheeky reference to him officially joining the MCU, like what they did with the title for Spider-Man: Homecoming.

I'm the comics, Fisk killed Karen's heroin dealer and everyone else who found out.

Controlling information is more important than knowing stuff.

 

[Noname Given]

"Escaped from prison" seems final.

Opposed to got a 48 hour pass from prison.

I think he's out.

How can he be charged in American Courts for things he did in China?

What if Wong can "borrow" the Thunderbolts to save the world if Sorcerer Supreme is a rank recognized by the US Government?

Leaving a prison facility when you're incarcerated for a crime and serving a sentence, (even if you walk through a portal back into the prison a few hours later ) without a pardon, parole, or some sort of court order is in itself a crime; and in most cases will automatically add a number of years to whatever existing sentence you have.