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Shatnertage's Mostly-1st-Time Watch Thread

One of my favorite things about the writing here was the way they got a lot of bang for their buck. They didn't show the fierce attack and firefight on the station at the beginning (which would have been incredibly expensive to stage), and didn't show the gateway getting blown up, either. Neat.

That always used to annoy me as a kid, if you're gonna make the whole episode about blowing up a gateway, at least show the explosion, not show characters looking at an off camera explosion and wobble the camera a bit.

I'm not a big fan of telling without showing (Defiant is one of the worst offenders for this with most of the epic manoeuvring taking place on a screen that Dukat and Sisko watch on Cardassia prime and only cutting back to the Defiant for some nice talking)

I know its largely a budget thing but if you haven't got the money to show what you're writing, don't write it!

Aside from that this was a great episode and a great insight into the Jem Hadar....
 
I now watch as the regulars and some very impressive guest stars battle...

"To the Death"

Well, nearly. OK, some characters fight to the death, but not all of them. Actually, none of the regulars do. Does that make this episode the most blatant case of Trek false advertising since "Year of Hell?" (It was only 257 days of hell, after all.) I don't care, because it's a great episode...
Plot, character development, action. Definitely a wonderful ep.
 
Since I have more to type, I have to type more rapidly, which is good since I've come to...

"The Quickening"

This is an interesting episode. At first blush, it looks like a TNG-type episode, but there are several touches that make it uniquely DS9...
A moving ep. Plus, not everything is tied up in a neat bow...the way I like Trek b/c it's more real.
 
The next episode is an assortment of...

"Body Parts"

This is a good episode, but I don't like the resolution at all.

Quark is back, and he's in a good mood. But he's dying. In exactly six days, of Dorek Syndrome. That's an incredibly precise timeline for a guy who looks and sounds pretty healthy.

He's broke and, like George Bailey, learns that he's potentially worth more dead than alive. There's a definite It's a Wonderful Life influence on this episode.

The wacky b-story is that Major Kira is now carrying Keiko and Miles' baby. Hilarity ensues when the O'Briens ask her to move in and she agrees! And it's never mentioned that Kira is Miles' boss--I'm assuming that as executive officer she's the one who signs his evaluations. Kinda awkward, wouldn't you say?

And Kira completes her transformation from hardbitten terrorist to fluffy, bubbly friend to everyone (even Quark). She's really, really happy just about all the time now.

This is another episode that profits from its guest stars: Andrew Robinson and Jeffery Combs. Garak is wonderful as always, and Combs breaths some life into Brunt for the first time. A few times he really let himself go over the top, which is great for the kind of material he's working with.

So Brunt's the mystery bidder, and he wants payment in full? Very Merchant of Venice. And I don't see why Quark dropped his lawsuit against the doctor who misdiagnosed him.

In the end, Quark decides to break the contract and gets excommunicated from Ferengi society. I didn't like this solution to the problem at all--there were a lot of other ways they could have taken it. Why not let Odo investigate and learn that Brunt paid off the doctor? I'm pretty sure that's what happened anyway, and it would have given Quark some leverage to hold over Brunt. Or have Rom find some loophole that would also turn the tables on Brunt, for that matter? Both would have Quark get help from an unlikely quarter and make him rethink a few things.

And the end, where everyone gives him crap for the bar, is cute, but when he's got replicators built into his wall, kind of unnecessary...I think.

That's about what I thought of this one--enjoyable, but not entirely satisfying.
 
The whole "perfectly healthy-feeling person will drop dead in six days" thing certainly strains credibility. OK, granted, it was a false diagnosis. But why does Quark fall for it?
 
I clicked on some blue text with a line under it. Nothing happened. I guess it was a...

"Broken Link"

Garak is back! I can't even tell you how happy that makes me. And he's trying to be Odo's wingman! How incredibly awesome would it be to have Garak as your wingman? The possibilities! But Odo's not at all interested.

Which makes me wonder--and I may be stepping on the "are changelings asexual" thread--why he would be interested in women to start with. If he's not wired to be attracted to women, would he necessarily even be able to be attracted to them? I can understand him developing love or a romantic relationship, but not really a sexual one, which is what Garak is trying for here. And Odo even has a reaction to seeing the Celestial Cafe's new owner in that very flattering dress, which is strange if he's not innately built to respond to a sexually attractive woman in a certain way.

But I digress. Based on the blurb about him having trouble maintaining his solid state, I told my wife that in this epiosde Odo turns to diarrhea. And he kind of does. It's like having the runs so bad that you become the runs. Yuck.

There's one place for Odo to go--back to the Founders. So they're taking the Defiant, with a full crew complement, along for the ride. Which, if you think about it, is not smart. They're not going to need the cloak and aren't going to be able to fight their way to the planet. If the Founders don't want Odo, the Defiant can't make them take him. It would have been smarter to minimize their potential loss by sending just a runabout with a few people. But it would have been a lot less fun.

I loved the Garak/Odo stuff here, which reminded me that they do have a history together, and that Garak is the only one who knows that Odo really does want to go home, on some level.

The female Founder really gave Garak the brush, though.

And I liked it when Bashir skipped a stone off the Great Link. Though I don't want to even think about where they'd go to take a leak if they had to--after all, they were down there for hours. Not even a PADD to entertain themselves, either.

The resolution definitely changes things up. Odo is now human, minus a human-looking face. And Gowron is really a Changeling..or is he? Things are getting interesting. Like MA reminded me, they're definitely on a streak of having characters be disgraced and cut off from their people--so far Worf and Quark have had that honor, and Garak, too, if you want to count him. Who's next?

I liked this one--I'm curious to see how they resolve Odo being human.
 
Body Parts is an enjoyable Ferengi episode. Wait, what did I just say?! :eek: :p Well, it is greatly benefited by the two greatest recurring actors Trek has ever had.

As for why Quark dropped the lawsuit, I think it's because 1.) he was too busy preparing for his "death" and 2.) once he was "excommunicated" I doubt the Ferengi legal system would even hear his case.

And as for why they resolved it the way they did, I think they just preferred having another "outcast" character - something they did tend to enjoy a lot. And - minor spoiler (I won't name names) - another character does become an outcast later (sort of).

Broken Link - Well, now that Odo is a Human, he can have sexual desires without internet message boards wondering how it's possible. ;)

Another excellent episode that really ramps up the tension for the coming season.
 
The other thing about the episode that I don't believe I forgot to mention was the unfortunate name of the system the Klingons were invading. Arkanus. And everyone had to say, "Arkanus" when they were talking about it. I wonder how many takes it took them to get through it without cracking up. We were in hysterics.
 
The other thing about the episode that I don't believe I forgot to mention was the unfortunate name of the system the Klingons were invading. Arkanus. And everyone had to say, "Arkanus" when they were talking about it. I wonder how many takes it took them to get through it without cracking up. We were in hysterics.
Well, it obviously depends on how it's said. I always thought it was "Ar-kanus", but now you've given me pause for thought.:vulcan:
 
With all that fighting there's definitely an...

"Apocalypse Rising"

Sisko and Dax have gone to meet with Starfleet to talk about how to handle the Gowron changeling threat. They have to meet in person and they take a runabout, which comes back to the station with damage that looks suspiciously like the damage the runabout suffered in "Body Parts." Oh well.

And Starfleet has a plan: they're going to send Sisko, Worf, O'Brien, and Odo into the heart of the Klingon Empire to unmask the changeling. While the Klingons and the Federation are at war. What could possibly go wrong?

Sisko: We're going on a trip.

Odo: Are we there yet?

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExigIpJ286w[/yt]

Watch it, it's really funny. There's a great Voyager video with this song, but you'll just have to imagine the "Apocalypse Rising" version yourself.

And guess who's giving them a ride? Dukat! He's happy to use his BoP as an escort service for Federation suicide missions now. And apparently he lost all of his crew, because it looks like it's just him and Damar all by themselves on the ship now. The sneaky guy then tells Sisko it's a one-way ride, since if he succeeds he'll hitch a ride from the Klingons and if he fails, he'll be killed. Can't fault his logic there.

I liked the Klingon boot camp scenes. Rene Auberjonois was particularly good. And Avery Brooks plays a really good Klingon. I mean really good. He actually plays a better Klingon than he does a human, because he's got a reason for those weird mood swings.

I'd hate to play poker against Brooks because he's very good at showing no emotion whatsoever. Like when he announced that he was leading the infiltration force. Was he feeling trepidation? Pride? Anger? We've got no idea. But as a Klingon he's very good. And he gets to do lots of bad ass stuff like beating Klingons up, which has to be pretty cool.

The plan, frankly put, sucks. They have to infiltrate the Empire (to some planet or asteroid called Ty'Gokor, but it sounded like "TigerCore" to me, which made me think of those teen magazines like Tiger Beat), then get access to military headquarters on TigerCore, then set up their polaron emitters, then just hope for the best. Not a very good plan at all.

And, to no one's surprise, it doesn't work.

One thing I really liked about this episode was the B-story, which saw Bashir getting more screen time. I loved the scene where Bashir and Kira banter about her baby--it's cute that they let the actors do that. And they've got chemistry together, so naturally they haven't had that many scenes together in the past four seasons. It would have made the dynamics on the station a lot more interesting if Bashir, not Shakaar or Bariel, was Odo's rival for Kira.

The big reveal, thanks to Odo's keen observation: Martok is the real changeling. For some reasons cMartok's reaction to this accusation is to...do the changeling tentacle thing, trying to strangle Odo. In a room full of drunk Klingon warriors. This ends about how you'd think it would, with little bits of cMartok all over the place.

Early in the episode they said that Gowron had moved the military HQ to TigerCore recently, but Worf said that the hall was historic. Did they pack up the whole thing and move it or something?

So the entire Klingon War (which had surprisingly little on-screen fighting) is over now, and we're ready for the Dominion War. Sounds fair enough.
 
I clicked on some blue text with a line under it. Nothing happened. I guess it was a...

"Broken Link"

Garak is back! I can't even tell you how happy that makes me. And he's trying to be Odo's wingman! How incredibly awesome would it be to have Garak as your wingman? The possibilities! But Odo's not at all interested...
Kira's sneezing, Odo human, Garak. Just had a lot of good things going for it.
 
On another note, I think the Quickening might be the last episode...
where Jadzia gets to be something other than Worf's sidekick/girlfriend/wife.
 
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One thing I really liked about this episode was the B-story, which saw Bashir getting more screen time. I loved the scene where Bashir and Kira banter about her baby--it's cute that they let the actors do that.

It's also very meta, in a good way, since it's Siddig's real-life son that Visitor is carrying.

Wait... does that count as a spoiler?

It might be best to wrap that in spoiler code.

But, on that topic, what about....

The Reckoning?
 
It might be best to wrap that in spoiler code.

But, on that topic, what about....

The Reckoning?

Spoiler's been wrapped. Here's another:

I don't remember her role in "The Reckoning" but I did just remember "One Little Ship." It's funny how Farrell left because Jadzia wasn't getting episodes, but then Ezri got several of her own in S7
 
I liked the Klingon boot camp scenes. Rene Auberjonois was particularly good. And Avery Brooks plays a really good Klingon. I mean really good. He actually plays a better Klingon than he does a human, because he's got a reason for those weird mood swings.

I agree, it gave him an outlet for all the shouting he likes to do. He seemed more comfortable as a Klingon than Worf does.
 
Happy New Year everyone! I am back with...

"The Ship"

This episode raises even more questions about what the Federation's doing in the Gamma Quadrant. I was under the impression that the Dominion was able to send ships pretty much anywhere they wanted on that side of the wormhole, so I've been wondering why the Federation is still sending out survey expeditions there, much less looking to set up colonies. Now it turns out that the wormhole is "three weeks" away from Dominion space. which means I guess that there's no reason why the Federation shouldn't be expanding there.

Anyway, they're exploring a planet that they might use for mining carbonite...caramel candies...cormaline. And then a ship crashes, but not before there's some good-natured banter between O'Brien and Muniz about O'Brien walking up a mountain but coming down a hill. Or vice versa.

The ship is upside down and everyone on it is dead. Sisko decides to keep the ship, which means they've got to get it operational. A dead ship that no one's familiar with that killed its last crew, without any special engineering tools...should be a snap.

Then another Jem'Hadar ship shows up, blows up the runabout (with the crew of three on board), and beams soldiers down to the planet where they kill one blueshirt and wound Muniz. Then the Vorta in charge, Kilana, wants to work things out diplomatically. They've certainly gotten off on the right foot, haven't they?

Kilana is awesome. She's very, very convincing as the earnestly evil saleswoman/marketing rep/customer service agent. Brilliant. And the actress also played Fake Janeway in "Live Fast and Prosper." Great stuff.

Muniz is, unfortunately, doomed. And just as we get to learn about him. O'Brien even has a nickname for him, Quique. Though I don't think I've seen a phaser cut someone before...

Sisko goes out to talk to Kilana, who's all sweetness and light. She's very eager to reach an understanding. Which is why she sent a Jem'Hadar to infiltrate the ship and try to kill everyone on it. Sisko finds out and goes back. Quique's getting worse. Then he goes back out to talk to Kilana, which ends in failure again, Quique gets even worse, and they start bombing the ship.

Which is when things get good. Everyone starts getting snippy. O'Brien and Worf have a particularly good run-in. Sisko starts yelling a lot. I don't think that's the best tactic. I mean, which would you respond better to? Someone quietly but firmly saying, "If you want to live, we've got to work together," or "STOP SHOUTING! CALM DOWN GODDAMN IT! CALM DOWN!"? Sisko really goes Hackman there for a while.

There's an obligatory scene on the station with everyone (except Jake) who's not in the A-story, but it doesn't really go anywhere. The Defiant warps into a crisis without its chief medical officer because he's got to catch up on paperwork. McCoy would never stand for that.

Quique dies.

Turns out there's a Founder on board, and he's not doing well at all. He dies and turns into black ash.

Well this expedition could have gone better.

And by a total coincidence I've just rewatched "The Galileo Seven" and there are certain parallels. Sisko keeps doing the right thing, and people keep dying.

Once the Founder dies, the Jem'Hadar kill themselves. While that's touching, isn't it a military vulnerability? If you know that the Jem'Hadar self-destruct if a Founder dies, you can just concentrate on killing the Founder--if they've got one hanging around. Still, it does inspire loyalty.

And the Big Point of the episode is, if we just could have trusted each other, things would have worked out better.

Not really. The Dominion attacked first, killing four people, before Kilana tried to talk to Sisko. Sisko had absolutely no reason to trust Kilana, who kept trying to trick/sneak attack him. So if anyone needs a lesson in trust and listening well, it's not Sisko, it's Kilana. Now maybe if the runabout had attacked the Jem'Hadar first, we'd have something to argue about, but it seems pretty clear-cut to me.

And that's the whole point of the episode. In the end, Sisko gets his ship and a medal, but at the cost of five lives. But since he was never shown as a guy who's hungry for medals, it doesn't really mean that much to me.

I think the final scene should have been Jake talking to Sisko, not Dax.

So this episode, even though parts of it were good, is kind of a mess, philosophically. Why should you trust people who are trying to kill you and negotiate in bad faith?
 
Kilana is awesome. She's very, very convincing as the earnestly evil saleswoman/marketing rep/customer service agent. Brilliant.

Weyoun's female counterpart apparently. ;) This was always one of my favorite episodes.
 
Which is when things get good. Everyone starts getting snippy. O'Brien and Worf have a particularly good run-in. Sisko starts yelling a lot. I don't think that's the best tactic. I mean, which would you respond better to? Someone quietly but firmly saying, "If you want to live, we've got to work together," or "STOP SHOUTING! CALM DOWN GODDAMN IT! CALM DOWN!"? Sisko really goes Hackman there for a while.

He does, doesn't he? :lol:

I think the point you're making right here is why DS9 is so much more real. I've been following a TNG rewatch lately and though it was my first love, it's reminding me how perfectly vanilla everyone always was. There was no sense of vulnerability or personal shortcoming. In this situation, real people would have acted just like the DS9 crew did. But had this been on TNG it would have been very different.
 
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