Shat out / Nimoy in?

[igrokbok]

While I would love to have Shatner in the movie, I have to give props to the producers if they left Shatner out because it is in the best interest for making the story work. A story with Spock remembering a time long ago, in a time when Kirk himself is long dead, might be the best way to effectively tell the tale. If that's the case, I can't fault them, no matter how much I would enjoy seeing shatner in the role again.

 

[pookha]

The Wormhole said:
In regards to this idea of Nimoy playing Sarek, assuming this movie is set pre-TOS or during TOS (as all rumours indicate one of those) wouldn't he be too old to be Sarek? The guy is older than Mark Lenard was in the 1960s, and looks it. I don't see him being Sarek. Unless they're going to show that a Vulcan around 100 will look more aged than we've previously seen.

yeah this is my only quibble about it.
for the time period of the movie nimoy looks far to old to play sarek.

that dosnt mean he couldnt play another vulcan say another member of the family.
for that matter could skon father of sarek still be alive.
we know sarek lived to be over 200 didnt he.

 

[pookha]

Beyerstein said:
Since Shatner has made it pretty public that he wants to be involved, it seems like it would be pretty stupid of them not to use him somehow.

i like shatner and kirk is my favorite captain.
but he has so over exposed himself (see the failed game show ) that a lot of the support and good favor he had a couple years ago is on the wan.
and people do remember that shatner did a movie without nimoy first.

 

[Franklin]

I'm not sure about this. Shatner's too sanguine. Too flip about being shut out of the film. Shatner has said some off-hand things about the movie in the past that were, well, inaccurate or uninformed. After all, he's not one to let the facts stand in the way of a good yarn.

When would this conversation with Nimoy have to had taken place, anyway? Recently, no? Yet, in the interview, Shatner calls Nimoy after hearing about the movie and says, "Leonard, have you heard?" Phrasing it that way makes sense only if it's the first time he's contacting Nimoy about the movie, or maybe it's just after it was officially green-lighted.

In any case, I truly wonder if Nimoy has read the script. And frankly, if Shatner's story is true, that would be a rather cold way of telling him he's not in it. If Nimoy said those things, it sounds more like he was yanking Shatner's chain than telling him the truth.

One last thing. Shatner doesn't shy away from drawing attention to himself, but wouldn't he even be "corporate" enough to not leak (or blab about) such a big story as Nimoy appearing in the movie but not him?

I'll believe this when there's a real press release from Abrams or Nimoy's representatives about it.

Franklin -- skeptical.

 

[Woulfe]

On Trek Movie.com I said when it comes to Trek, Shatner can sometimes be his own worse enemy, asking for far too much money, thus effectively getting himself out of the picture, see the whole Shatner as Chief thing for Enterprise from not so long ago as a sample.

- W -
* That could be what happened here for all we know *

 

[ralph]

But Orci said about Shatner: "We're certainly hoping to include him in the shoot. Because we have nothing but reverence and awe for the man."

I believe that Shatner will be in the film, but not necessary as Kirk or even in front of cameras.

 

[Dale]

Well... well, well, well... it appears there will be a 24th century component to this film after all... old Spock looking back...

 

[Proximity_Phaser]

I can see Nimoy in and Shatner out working...Nimoy bookends the story as an old Spock, talking about or remembering his dead captain. Flashback to earlier days, tell a cracking good story with a recast young crew, then close with old Spock. Ties it up nicely, Vulcans live a long time so it makes sense for old Kirk to be croaked if Spock is really old, even if they get rid of the stupid "Generations" death down the road.

Shat gets publicity for being shut out, everybody compares new Kirk to old Kirk. If the movie sucks, Shat looks good for not being in it. If the movie rocks, Shat looks good for being the "golden age" Kirk in a suddenly hip franchise.

What's not to like from Shatner's position? OK, his big ego may want a role in the film, and he may wince when he misses the paycheck, but that's about it, and I bet he figures out various and sundry ways to cash in.

 

[theARE]

If they where really clever, and talked to CBS about it, they could also use this as a launch pad for a new TV Series. Have the soon to be new Captain of the Enterprise-F (or whatever)talking to an old Spock about how he met Kirk and the early days on the Enterprise.

The Captain wouldn't really need to have a large role in the film, he's just the guy Spock is talking to. If the film is a hit CBS have a character semi-established for a new series.

 

[Franklin]

If this is true (and as I posted above, I'm skeptical), I hope Nimoy is needed for something more important to the story than just "Spock the narrator" or an "aww" moment as Sarek (a valentine to old fans but hardly a selling point to any potential new ones).

Starting the movie with Nimoy's Spock saying to someone, "Did I ever tell you the one about...?" seems too obvious and formulaic (and dare I say it's also fanboyish?). I'd like to credit the writers with having more imagination than that. If they need Nimoy, I'm hoping to God that it's for some critical element of the story. Maybe older Spock even moves the entire plot.

 

[Zachary Smith]

theARE said:
If they where really clever, and talked to CBS about it, they could also use this as a launch pad for a new TV Series. Have the soon to be new Captain of the Enterprise-F (or whatever)talking to an old Spock about how he met Kirk and the early days on the Enterprise.

The Captain wouldn't really need to have a large role in the film, he's just the guy Spock is talking to. If the film is a hit CBS have a character semi-established for a new series.

^^^
I personally do not care to ever see another 24th Century "Star Trek". The more time that passes since "The Next Generation", the less I like the 24th century and if they WERE to make another series set in that time-frame, I'm not sure I'd watch it.

I'm sick of those pasty-faced, mealy-mouthed techno-babblers. It would have to be a serious "re-imagining" of the "Next Generation" style to get my interest fired up for that time-period.

 

[theARE]

It wasn't really the setting time wise though was it, it was more the writing and the type of stories that where being told. Also over-reliance on technobabble as you said. That was the big problem with Enterprise, a shift in time period but still the same style and trends in writing. A new production team could avoid those problems.

All I was really suggesting was that if they are going to have an "Old Spock talking to personX" element then they may as well write it so that they have an option to reuse "personX" in future if they want.

 

[Woulfe]

Enterprise F ?

Captain : Engine room, I need more power !

Engineer : Well, if I bypass the nuralultramicrosopicsilivolcanconious thingamabob with the antidisasblishmentraisum dohicky and criss cross the whatchamacallit generators I can possibly get more power from the WalterMattJefferies coils.

Captain : I have no idea what you just said, do it anyways.

Audience : Y A W N !

- W -
* I've also had enough of the double-talk generators saving the day by reversing the polarity on them *

 

[nostradamus]

Zachary Smith said:
If Shatner does NOT appear as Kirk, especialloy if Nimoy DOES appear as Spock, I will be . . . disappointed . . .

This is likely the last chance to repair the atrocity that was "Star Trek: Generations" and that abysmal "death" of Kirk.

Fix it.

FIX it!

FIX IT!!!!

Maybe Shatner can be on New Voyages. They can fix it there and we decide if its cannon or not.

 

[Sharr Khan]

All I was really suggesting was that if they are going to have an "Old Spock talking to personX" element then they may as well write it so that they have an option to reuse "personX" in future if they want.

Pretty much however they write it they can reuse personX...

Sharr

 

[Charlie Kelly]

This sucks, I was really hoping Shatner would appear in the movie. I feel really sorry for Bill because this is most likely his last chance ever of playing Kirk.

CHarlie

 

[seigezunt]

nostradamus said:

Zachary Smith said:
If Shatner does NOT appear as Kirk, especialloy if Nimoy DOES appear as Spock, I will be . . . disappointed . . .

This is likely the last chance to repair the atrocity that was "Star Trek: Generations" and that abysmal "death" of Kirk.

Fix it.

FIX it!

FIX IT!!!!

Maybe Shatner can be on New Voyages. They can fix it there and we decide if its cannon or not.

Then they could kill him again, and have him reappear in the next episode.

 

[Charlie Kelly]

nostradamus said:

Zachary Smith said:
If Shatner does NOT appear as Kirk, especialloy if Nimoy DOES appear as Spock, I will be . . . disappointed . . .

This is likely the last chance to repair the atrocity that was "Star Trek: Generations" and that abysmal "death" of Kirk.

Fix it.

FIX it!

FIX IT!!!!

Maybe Shatner can be on New Voyages. They can fix it there and we decide if its cannon or not.

I think they already tried to fix it in their second episode by making the Shatnerverse novels part of their canon. But mucked it up with dates and stuff or something. Can someone confirm this I wasn't just dreaming was I?

Charlie

 

[Chris_Moderato]

Kirk's legendary and all, but my God Shatner looks older than hell. Might be a good idea to let it be. Kirk's death was awful, for sure, but what can you do? The man is ancient.

 

[Zachary Smith]

Chris_Moderato said:
Kirk's legendary and all, but my God Shatner looks older than hell. Might be a good idea to let it be. Kirk's death was awful, for sure, but what can you do? The man is ancient.

Look, it's an easy equation: If I can believe a spaceship is zooming all over the universe at many times the speed of light, sending people down to planets on twinkling beams of light and occasionally fighting dark-skinned people with turtle shells glued to their heads, I can believe Shatner is still Kirk and I can IGNORE a few frickin' lines in his face.

It's called "suspension of disbelief". It's how movies work on the most FUNDAMENTAL level.