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SGU CANCELLED!

Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

I honestly believe that we'll see a new Stargate series down the road. Remember when everybody was screaming about how Star Trek was dead? If Trek could come back, so can Stargate.

Sean
 
Filming for the 2nd season finale started on the week of November 8th, and it ends in a cliff-hanger:
http://www.gateworld.net/universe/s2/220.shtml

I think this and Caprica should serve as a notice to all future writers of sci-fi space dramas that ending your seasons in cliffhangers is NOT a good idea. From now on in these shows each season should be self contained and wrap up its inter-season arcs by the season finale.

Personally I think you maybe missing the lesson here.

This isn't about ...cliffhangers.
It's about pacing...
Good writing...
Good characters...
Good drama as opposed to ...fake drama...

oh...and action too. That's why no one should be surprised at the cancellation and this isn't the end of the Franchise not by a long shot.

1. I'm aware that SGU (and Caprica) had a lot more problems then simply having end season cliffhangers when you know the ratings are poor. I was commenting on the specific problem of not have series closure.

2. I wasn't surprised at the cancellation, it was to be expected, although I had hoped (perhaps foolishly) the show could squeak out a third season before SyFy scraped it. I was preparing to hear it was cancelled after the mid-season 3 finale this time next year. Just came sooner then I'd expected.

3. I hope that you are right and this isn't the end of the franchise. I'd like more Stargate shows but what needs to happen to achieve that? Go back to the standard formula, as you mentioned, a new formula, new writers/producers? It may seem heretical to long term Stargate fans, but perhaps people have just grown tired with the whole Stargate franchise and have moved on.
 
Man, I really suck at picking TV shows.

:lol:

I really loved SGU, right from the beginning. I liked Caprica a lot too.

Bummer.
 
Yeah nice move Syfy, betray a fanbase that has been watching your network for over 8 years because of one certain franchise. No Stargate = no Syfy.
 
Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

I honestly believe that we'll see a new Stargate series down the road. Remember when everybody was screaming about how Star Trek was dead? If Trek could come back, so can Stargate.

Sean

There you go!:techman:
 
Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

Joe Mallozzi stated on his blog that SGU ending would make it hard to get any DVD films made.

Of course, he's a little biased, but it might be true.

More than you know.
What he might be saying...is that it would be hard to get any DVD films made under him and the current producers. Obviously SyFy is making some stiff but good decisions. They've trusted the current producers and Brad Wright just drove Atlantis into the ground and pitched a no hitter for the third series. His job maybe on the line.

You think there's a chance there'll be an SG-1 DVD movie w/o the current production group? I doubt it.
 
I think this and Caprica should serve as a notice to all future writers of sci-fi space dramas that ending your seasons in cliffhangers is NOT a good idea. From now on in these shows each season should be self contained and wrap up its inter-season arcs by the season finale.

Personally I think you maybe missing the lesson here.

This isn't about ...cliffhangers.
It's about pacing...
Good writing...
Good characters...
Good drama as opposed to ...fake drama...

oh...and action too. That's why no one should be surprised at the cancellation and this isn't the end of the Franchise not by a long shot.

1. I'm aware that SGU (and Caprica) had a lot more problems then simply having end season cliffhangers when you know the ratings are poor. I was commenting on the specific problem of not have series closure.

2. I wasn't surprised at the cancellation, it was to be expected, although I had hoped (perhaps foolishly) the show could squeak out a third season before SyFy scraped it. I was preparing to hear it was cancelled after the mid-season 3 finale this time next year. Just came sooner then I'd expected.

3. I hope that you are right and this isn't the end of the franchise. I'd like more Stargate shows but what needs to happen to achieve that? Go back to the standard formula, as you mentioned, a new formula, new writers/producers? It may seem heretical to long term Stargate fans, but perhaps people have just grown tired with the whole Stargate franchise and have moved on.

I say go with the 24 format in a new series like a Stargate Earth where you can do all the same things in SGU with better guest stars...high paced Drama but a lot of suspense and action to reveal the Stargate Program to the rest of the world and the massive conflict between nations that insue.

I mean everything else is gone...The Gould, the Ori, the Wraith aren't an issue until you're ready to deal with them. I say it's time to do a show on the home front. I mean really...Atlantis is already here...

The fans are whining but this Franchise has TREMENDOUS potential right now...not just two years down the line
 
Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

Joe Mallozzi stated on his blog that SGU ending would make it hard to get any DVD films made.

Of course, he's a little biased, but it might be true.

More than you know.
What he might be saying...is that it would be hard to get any DVD films made under him and the current producers. Obviously SyFy is making some stiff but good decisions. They've trusted the current producers and Brad Wright just drove Atlantis into the ground and pitched a no hitter for the third series. His job maybe on the line.

You think there's a chance there'll be an SG-1 DVD movie w/o the current production group? I doubt it.

I doubt it too but only because Brad Wright seems so dead set on this path he's taken. He's gotta go.
 
Personally I think you maybe missing the lesson here.

This isn't about ...cliffhangers.
It's about pacing...
Good writing...
Good characters...
Good drama as opposed to ...fake drama...

oh...and action too. That's why no one should be surprised at the cancellation and this isn't the end of the Franchise not by a long shot.

1. I'm aware that SGU (and Caprica) had a lot more problems then simply having end season cliffhangers when you know the ratings are poor. I was commenting on the specific problem of not have series closure.

2. I wasn't surprised at the cancellation, it was to be expected, although I had hoped (perhaps foolishly) the show could squeak out a third season before SyFy scraped it. I was preparing to hear it was cancelled after the mid-season 3 finale this time next year. Just came sooner then I'd expected.

3. I hope that you are right and this isn't the end of the franchise. I'd like more Stargate shows but what needs to happen to achieve that? Go back to the standard formula, as you mentioned, a new formula, new writers/producers? It may seem heretical to long term Stargate fans, but perhaps people have just grown tired with the whole Stargate franchise and have moved on.

I say go with the 24 format in a new series like a Stargate Earth where you can do all the same things in SGU with better guest stars...high paced Drama but a lot of suspense and action to reveal the Stargate Program to the rest of the world and the massive conflict between nations that insue.

I mean everything else is gone...The Gould, the Ori, the Wraith aren't an issue until you're ready to deal with them. I say it's time to do a show on the home front. I mean really...Atlantis is already here...

The fans are whining but this Franchise has TREMENDOUS potential right now...not just two years down the line

The idea of basing a show about the public revelation of the Stargate problem is so riddled with fanwank it will never see the light of day.
 
They botched having the ENTIRE UNIVERSE at their disposal. I don't trust any of the writers except for Cooper.
 
Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

No its done im afraid! Space based sci fi is as good as done due to the cost and the lack of viewers.

Reality shows are the current "in" thing and will continue to be so as they are successful in terms of ratings and therefore money. Also a lot cheaper to make. Thank God for dvds!

Reality shows were in eight years ago when Firefly was... bad example. Reality shows were in seven years ago when BSG and Atlantis took off.

I was a late comer to both series (BSG spring 08, Stargate fall 10) so I did not know. Guess I'm wrong. By the way Firefly > Star Trek + Star Wars + Stargate + BSG.

No its done im afraid! Space based sci fi is as good as done due to the cost and the lack of viewers.

Reality shows are the current "in" thing and will continue to be so as they are successful in terms of ratings and therefore money. Also a lot cheaper to make. Thank God for dvds!

True but you can only watch the same DVD's over and over again before you get bored with them. With this and Supernatural finishing this year there will be nothing left for me to watch anymore.

We'll, I have lots of shows to catch up on. I haven't seen any SGU before "Pain", only seen 10 eps of season 5 SGA, need to re-watch all of BSG, and I'm always discovering new things that ended long ago that I want to watch. And hopefully I'll be done with college next year and I'll have to get a job and then I won't have time to watch anything anyway.
 
Re: Acheivement Unlocked: Dead Franchise Status obtained (?)

I honestly believe that we'll see a new Stargate series down the road. Remember when everybody was screaming about how Star Trek was dead? If Trek could come back, so can Stargate.

Sean

Yep... It could happen. But I strongly suspect that if it comes back, it will be as a complete reboot of SG1 or the original movie.
 
I don't know... I'm afraid that I have to agree with Saquist in principle here. A show set around the public revelation of the Stargate program has a large amount of potential.

I mean we already know that Lucian Alliance is planning an all out attack on Earth. Maybe have the new series cold open with an orbit view of the Earth and suddenly have several dozen Ha'taks exit hyperspace and actually get low enough that people can actually see them. Before they do any major damage though the Odyssey, Daedalus, Apollo, Hammond, Sun Tzu, and maybe a sixth ship (HMS Beagle, perhaps?) enter orbit and fight them off. Oh and Atlantis still being in the Bay has to uncloak, shield itself and launch drones.
 
What a shame. I really liked the show. What bothers me the most is that it won't have a proper ending. That'll hurt the finished product even more. It would have been nice to have a third season to wrap things up, but given how the business works, there was little hope for that.
 
I wouldnt say they botched it, sure, they had a wobbly start but as i've said many many times - almost every single show does.

The show was entertaining more often than not, and it was genuinely good more often than it was just entertaining, so the show had the potential to be great. It's a shame they didnt run it concurrent with Atlantis for a season or two like SG-1 and Atlantis. That probably would have eased the people who think Atlantis was killed to make way for SGU into watching it.
 
I think they should have given the franchise a little more respect and atleast given it just one more season to finish the story off.
 
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