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SGU 2x15 "Seizure" Ratings/Discussion SPOILERS

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They definitely have the government logic down pat. The last two times a planet went to hell. So, this time they hand the task to a guy who wiped out a whole solar system! :D


McKay: Actually it was more like 7/8 or was it 3/4 of the system....


Weir: RODNEY!!!!
 
I almost cried when I watched Enemy At The Gate too, I don't think any SGU episode has come close to being that bad, except maybe Pain :techman:
 
Atlantis canceled because these guys thought this would be better for the Fans....

What a flop....6/10
(Sigh)

What was sad was that two hours after this episode they played "Enemy at the Gate" and I cried.....

Cried because even with it's flaws it was a far better episode than any single episode of SGU.

OH it's so true...:rommie:

I hated Enemy at the Gate but it just goes to show you how you can always add a little perspective. Air 1-3 was just horrid television...like watching and Ocean dry... SGU is still stuck in that. This wasn't that bad...but Enemy at the Gate was absolutely...stellar in comparisons....

Now that's sad.
How do you make a mediocre series ending look like velvet cheese cake...stick just about any SGU episode right before it...

Episode was down 6% from last week and remains under 1 million viewers.
 
Don't kid yourselves, episodes like Twin Destinies and Hope rank up near the top of Stargate.
 
Atlantis canceled because these guys thought this would be better for the Fans....

What a flop....6/10
(Sigh)

What was sad was that two hours after this episode they played "Enemy at the Gate" and I cried.....

Cried because even with it's flaws it was a far better episode than any single episode of SGU.

I watched that too. I didn't cry or anything, but me and my girlfriend enjoyed it. Robert Carlyle is a great actor, but I miss a little action and humor.
 
I was very pleasantly surprised! 9/10 for me.

Finally an inventive tactical use of the stones. McKay was good. "my face is up here" :lol:
 
So, did O'Neill authorize this or did they go behind his back? I agree that authorizing this doesn't seem like him.

Anyway, good episode. I was waiting for some mention of Atlantis and paying attention for any evidence of what happened to the city as well as the status of Woolsey and McKay, but got nothing. They could be off the Atlantis poject and onto other things, or they could still be assigned to Atlantis, but on temporary assignment here. No real evidence either way. And I have to say... I like the mystique.

I also enjoyed Rush's romp. He and Perry finally got it on, but not in the way I was expecting. I was wondering what Perry saw in Rush and towards the end, I got my answer. She's just like him. Oh, and Carlyle looked like a corpse in those shots of him in the chair. :lol:

And one more thing... I got to wondering if Perry and Ginn could become real by stepping through the gate. I mean what if their virtual selves are complex enough that a step though the gate could trick the system into thinking that they're real people and reconstitute a flesh and blood person on the other end? Just a thought.

Also, when the ship dropped out of FTL the stones should have disconnected briefly, another mistake they didn't show.
I'm sure they did disconnect briefly, but not much would have come of it, so not showing it wasn't a big deal.

"SG-1 Teams 4 and 5". Think about that for a while.
I didn't notice that flub, but I'm perfectly willing to write it off as an in-story flub. It doesn't have to be a MAJOR oversight. People flub things all the time.
 
Anyone else notice that Young, when he uses the stones to come to Earth at the start, is in the body of a crewman called 'Philander' :D
 
Well, I got mixed feelings about this one. It's great to see McKay again, and Woolsey's good fun too. I enjoyed pretty much every scene those two were in. However, they really should address what the status of the SGC or Atlantis is. Oh yes, this is SGU, it's not this show's job to provide explanations for the other shows. However, when last we saw him Woolsey was commander of Atlantis, and now he has his own office in the Pentagon. Something like this should have some sort of an explanation provided. Likewise, I noticed that when dressed in field gear, Telford and McKay had the armpatch with Earth's point of origin symbol, but not the one identifying which SG team they belong to. The nameless grunts had their SG team's insignia. I know, Telford and McKay don't belong to an SG team, so in that case they should have had an SGC armpatch on instead.

And no, I'm not going to comment on "SG-1 teams 4 and 5." I'll only say what an embarassing mistake to make.

The raid on the Langaran Stargate facility gains points for creative use of the stones in a tactical situation, but loses points for the oh-so-predictable way it was dealt with by the Langarans. Seriously, who actually couldn't predict when we first saw that young Langaran security officer that he would be the one to piece things together and blow the whistle?

The final show down when the Langaran military storms to facility to retake it wasn't thought through too well. The soldiers were ordered to open fire when the gate dialed the eighth chevron? That's cutting it rather close. If they did, and assuming they were able to neutralize everyone from Earth, by the time they did so and made their way to the laptop, the ninth chevron would have been dialled, and the very outcome they were trying to avoind would happen anyway.

Despite keeping things at the appropriate level of technological development, they didn't really bother much with the backstory of Langara. We have no indication of which country this takes place in, or even what the political situation on Langara is. For that matter, why no mention of Jonas Quinn? Before you start with "SGU is its own show" keep in mind that Mallozzi promised there would be a referance to Jonas. Since there wasn't, we have a right to ask why.

I think Telford is starting to become my favourite SGU character, especially this week with his quote "it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission." However, like with Rush, I would like it if they dropped the implication that Telford has some sort of shady agenda of his own, like they did this week when he said to McKay "I could use someone like you on Destiny" and McKay said "isn't Colonel Young in command?" causing Telford to quickly cover up by saying "we could use someone like you on Destiny." They can make the guy a by-the-book military officer who is a bit of a jerk and an asshole without the shady agenda angle.

I could have done without the Rush/Dr. Perry subplot. Seriously, that was awful, and I would rather not discuss it any further.

However, in regards to the rest of the Destiny-based stroyline this week, why did Young leave TJ in command while he was away? Even ignoring that as a medical officer, she shouldn't be in the chain of command, there was an ongoing medical situation (Rush and the chair) plus she had to continue to look after Volker and Greer. Needless to say, she had a full plate, so logically command should have fallen to someone else. Lt. James or Wray, perhaps?

And now Chloe's advanced intelligence means she can pitch in and help Eli and Brody solve Destiny's problems? Logical, I guess, but it still seems odd.

Overall, the Langaran storyline was good for SGU standards, but not as great as the other Stargates have been, and the Destiny storyline brought this episode down.

One final question, what exactly was Young referring to when he said "Sheppard's right"?
 
As alluded to earlier, "Sheppard's right." = "McKay is a pain in the ass.".

For one reason or another, they don't really want to deal with the fate of Atlantis on this show. Everything seems to be in the state where someone who is only casually familiar would remember it: Atlantis is in the Pegasus galaxy, Rodney is an introverted arrogant genius, Woolsey is a bureaucrat dealing with SG-1. Maybe where they were during the first three or four seasons.

I don't know if this is because this is what they figure the average viewer knows, because it would be hard to deal with the ramifications or if it's because they simply haven't plotted out what they want to ultimately do with Atlantis to wrap it up.
 
I think Mallozzi mentioned that earlier drafts of the script assumed "Extinction," um, existed, so once it became clear this episode was going to beat it out of the gate, they removed or obfuscated references to Atlantis in it.
 
I thought he just said that the episode required some re-jigging of the movie timeline? I'm guessing in the movie Atlantis goes back to Pegasus, but this episode required Woolsey and McKay to still be on Earth, so they changed the movie to be set after this episode instead of before it.
 
I thought he just said that the episode required some re-jigging of the movie timeline? I'm guessing in the movie Atlantis goes back to Pegasus, but this episode required Woolsey and McKay to still be on Earth, so they changed the movie to be set after this episode instead of before it.
Well Atlantis has 3 ZPMs and we regularly have the Daedalus and Apollo going back and forth so having some characters from Atlantis being on Earth isn't a stretch (it occurred quite regularly in seasons 4 and 5).
 
Ok, not having watched all of SG or SGA, what’s the story with Lagara(?) and Jonas (know him, just not the connection here). And I don’t remember the end of SGA, so what was the end and why should it specifically be mentioned?
 
Ok, not having watched all of SG or SGA, what’s the story with Lagara(?) and Jonas (know him, just not the connection here). And I don’t remember the end of SGA, so what was the end and why should it specifically be mentioned?

Long story short: Langara is the first planet Naquadriah (the fancy variant of Naquadah which makes dialling nine chevrons possible) was discovered. The three dominant nations on the planet were locked in war with each other until the planet was attacked by the Goa'uld Anubis. They were then united in a fragile alliance. Last we heard of Langara, they were conquered by the Ori.

Jonas Quinn is a native from the Langaran nation Kelowna. After a failed experiment with Naquadriah which resulted with Daniel Jackson being exposed to a lethal dosage of radiation while saving Kelownan scientists, Daniel was charged with sabotaging the experiment. Not that it mattered, he died/ascended shortly thereafter (longer story). Sick of his government's lack of morals, Jonas went to Earth, bringing Naquadriah along and eventually taking Daniel's place on SG-1. Shortly after Daniel's descension/resurrection (longer story) Jonas chose to return to Langara to help with the aftermath of Anubis's attack and to represent Kelowna in the new alliance of Langaran nations. Also, he was dating a girl who turned out to be a Goa'uld spy. No word has been given regarding what happened to Jonas during the Ori occupation of Langara.

At the end of SGA, Atlantis left the Pegasus galaxy and returned to Earth to fight a Wraith hiveship intent on attacking Earth. After the hiveship was destroyed, Atlantis was pushed into Earth's atmosphere and made splashdown outside San Fransisco.
 
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Thanks for the Jonas summary. And I remember some weird-ass Vegas story on SGA--didn’t like it--but didn’t remember Atlantis crashing.

Seriously, I think those health issues I had a while back really screwed my permanent memory. The stuff I’ve forgotten these last 2 years is astounding.
 
Also, when the ship dropped out of FTL the stones should have disconnected briefly, another mistake they didn't show.
I'm sure they did disconnect briefly, but not much would have come of it, so not showing it wasn't a big deal.

Every episode where the ship drops out of FTL and they are using the stones, there is always a definite affect. In fact the most recent episode with that Bomb used it to great affect.

There seems to be a length of time where a person could yell out a warning if they were prepared (or not). The writers could have involved Rush and his little fling with Perry. There were already Langarans who thought something was up For a quick body switch to occur and code phrases to be yelled out, anything could have happened.
 
Is it really that much time, though? Especially if you don't know what it is when it happens? The first time, I don't remember anyone reacting overtly until after the connection had already been restored.
 
Don't kid yourselves, episodes like Twin Destinies and Hope rank up near the top of Stargate.

I would agree with that (well i saw Twin Destinies)

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SGU loses a "whopping" 43 percent of the viewers after Being Human.
 
And I remember some weird-ass Vegas story on SGA--didn’t like it--but didn’t remember Atlantis crashing.

I think that was some kind of alternate reality story. A what if Colonel Sheppard was cashiered out of the USAF instead of being sent to Antarctica for his actions in Afghanistan.
 
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