SG-U – Malice - (2x08) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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About the LA threat:
The Goa'uld were all about the theatrics of war. They were grand and obscene, which is why they were always the big threat in the huge motherships, thats how they lived and thats how they always did it for thousands of years. In this case, the SGC had a clear enemy to fight, they knew they'd always come head on which in a way made them easier to fight.
The Lucian Alliance on the other hand, for lack of a better comparison are Al Qaeda in this situation. As helpful LA guy said, theyre all different clans banded under one name. They emerged as a power in the galaxy by starting out as a crime syndicate, and the best way to pull of a crime is to keep it quiet. That's how the Lucian Alliance should operate, and that's probably the nature of the threat.
As for this episode, I loved it. Aside from Cloverdale, this season has been fantastic. It was sad to see Gynn go (she was so hot! Plus an actual nice person to boot) but I guess it was going to happen sooner of later.
The Goa'uld were all about the theatrics of war. They were grand and obscene, which is why they were always the big threat in the huge motherships, thats how they lived and thats how they always did it for thousands of years. In this case, the SGC had a clear enemy to fight, they knew they'd always come head on which in a way made them easier to fight.
The Lucian Alliance on the other hand, for lack of a better comparison are Al Qaeda in this situation. As helpful LA guy said, theyre all different clans banded under one name. They emerged as a power in the galaxy by starting out as a crime syndicate, and the best way to pull of a crime is to keep it quiet. That's how the Lucian Alliance should operate, and that's probably the nature of the threat.
As for this episode, I loved it. Aside from Cloverdale, this season has been fantastic. It was sad to see Gynn go (she was so hot! Plus an actual nice person to boot) but I guess it was going to happen sooner of later.
I haven't seen the episode yet, but I just gotta say, that is sig material right there.
I'm not sure Young will do anything in this case. Let's face it, the odds of them capturing Simeon were real low to begin with and when Greer fucked up by only shooting him once in the thigh before getting nailed, that option was gone. Besides, Young isn't stupid enough to not realize that Perry's death will have a negative effect on Rush and that antagonizing him will just make things worse.
The problem is that SG-1 never really showed that side of the Alliance off well, because we first saw them as a band of criminals and then they had Ha'taks and were warlords all of a sudden. I think that if the Ori arc hadn't happened, we might have seen better development of the Alliance since they would've been the primary antagonists of the series.
Another reason that the Alliance doesn't seem like a credible threat is the fact that the only reason they have any ability to strike Earth is because the writers have made the SGC/Homeworld Command personnel stupid, because there should be networks of satellites with Asgard/Ancient sensors and what not surrounding the planet, especially now that they have the Asgard core. I mean, Earth is the biggest target in two galaxies for Christ's sake and it appears that no one seems to care about properly defending it aside from having some spaceships flying around.
Edit: Thanks for the sigging Robert
8. This was actually pretty good. Decent action and some nice character moments. It appears they can do character *moments*, just not character based stories. It wasn't perfect, Simeon's actions didn't make much sense. Sure, he wanted to kill Ginn and he did. But, what, he wanted to die a poor miserable death isolated on some planet? And, really, they should've just left him there. No way would he have ever given them the information. He just killed someone in his own clan to keep it from getting out.
Also, when I saw that first large creature I thought there was no way a desert could support a creature with such a large mass, just not enough food. But, I really
when I saw that freaking huge heard! These animals were portrayed as grazers but there was nothing graze on!! And, regardless of the food source, it wasn't there in the desert!
I like the new vibe that they're all starting to trust and work together. They've got a bigger mission to complete. Let's wrap up the LA stuff and move forward.
As I've said before, what this series needs is more adventure. Completing the mission type of adventure. That moves the story forward and is exciting. The action (again, there is a difference) in this story was nice but it doesn't move the larger story forward so much.
This was entertaining and all-in-all enjoyable.
Mr Awe
Also, when I saw that first large creature I thought there was no way a desert could support a creature with such a large mass, just not enough food. But, I really
when I saw that freaking huge heard! These animals were portrayed as grazers but there was nothing graze on!! And, regardless of the food source, it wasn't there in the desert!I like the new vibe that they're all starting to trust and work together. They've got a bigger mission to complete. Let's wrap up the LA stuff and move forward.
As I've said before, what this series needs is more adventure. Completing the mission type of adventure. That moves the story forward and is exciting. The action (again, there is a difference) in this story was nice but it doesn't move the larger story forward so much.
This was entertaining and all-in-all enjoyable.
Mr Awe
Plus they have brain-washing tech as well. If the LA could use it on Telford, god knows who else on Earth (and especially inside Stargate Command) they've used it on. Hell, they've already been to Earth in Subversion and even used a cloaked cargo-ship to get there and back.
Mind-frack the right SGC personnel, and Atlantis and other potential planetary defences may be conveniently 'offline' when the LA make their move.
Oh yeah, good episode. T-Bag was like a angry force of nature early on - get out of his way!
Great ep! Please SYFY, don't wait too long for the second half!
I loved the interaction, bad ass Rush and look of the gate! The show is on a roll...I hope it keeps it up!
"STAMPEDE EARL !!!!"
I loved the interaction, bad ass Rush and look of the gate! The show is on a roll...I hope it keeps it up!
"STAMPEDE EARL !!!!"
I gave it a 10. Good gripping episode. I really felt for Eli and Rush because I took quite a liking to Perry and Ginn. It was a real shame to see two great ladies killed off like that. I heard rumors that we're supposed to see Perry again. Don't know in what capacity though, if it is true.
I also liked the part where Rush was firing at Simeon and kept missing. Then Simeon would fire back as Rush hid behind the rock. Then Rush would pop up, fire some more and miss again. The whole thing looked a bit absurd and comedic, and I chuckled a bit. Then I laughed some more when I noticed Simeon laughing too.
Another thing the episode succeeded at was turning Simeon into a slightly simpathetic character with his little rant about losing people himself.
The only part of the episode that didn't ring true was how a lot of people got mowed down, but the regulars all survivied.
I also liked the part where Rush was firing at Simeon and kept missing. Then Simeon would fire back as Rush hid behind the rock. Then Rush would pop up, fire some more and miss again. The whole thing looked a bit absurd and comedic, and I chuckled a bit. Then I laughed some more when I noticed Simeon laughing too.
Another thing the episode succeeded at was turning Simeon into a slightly simpathetic character with his little rant about losing people himself.
The only part of the episode that didn't ring true was how a lot of people got mowed down, but the regulars all survivied.
This show has always had great background music.
I wish we had seen the incident go down.
Why? They never use it.
Yeah, it didn't make much sense. Seemed like a plot contrivance to up the tension.
New Mexico.
My thoughts exactly.
Or his mood. You know, changing the happy face to a frowny face or maybe an angry face.
I liked that. Finally a show where someone wants the enemy to live and suffer a loss. You don't see too much of that.
Didn't think of that but yeah, it did. It was quiet and eerie like the barren frontier.
I kept thinking that space travel and extra terrestrials have to be kept secret and an attack could expose everything. Never felt that way with SG-1, but for whatever reason I feel that way with this show.
The show does have some excellent moments. That's a part of why I like it. Interesting distinction though.
"All Along the Watchtower" applies to everything.
With Atlantis now on Earth, at least they have the sensors there to track uncloaked ships in FTL. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Rush (I believe it was Rush at least) theorized that Simeon was likely going to attempt to backtrack to the Lucian Alliance personnel who had previously been left behind. I have to agree, however, that that plan doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There would be nowhere to go from there; they'd never be able to return home, they'd have to just settle for living there.
Re: Simion's actions - I thought it was stated that because he had a Kino remote, he might be able to find a gate route back to the planet where the other LA members were stranded. I'm assuming they /did not/ have a Kino remote on purpose, so they couldn't get off the plant. Simion therefore would have had a pretty smart plan: steal a remote, and start gate hopping to get back to his people before Destiny was too far away. Armed with the stolen remote, they could have then traveled as a group to planets searching for resources or a way to get home.
Finding a new planet to settle on and searching for resources, sure, I got that. But I don't see how Simeon could reasonably expect to find a way back home without a ship. The gate network wouldn't have been enough to get them there.
The alternative was to stay on Destiny and behave, which clearly wasn't an option for this guy. Plus he probably figured he might have a chance catch up and retake the ship again once he hooked up with the others by gate hopping ahead of them.
Not the most rational line of thinking but then he wasn't the most rational man.
Not the most rational line of thinking but then he wasn't the most rational man.
Not home, but back to the group of LA members they left on that planet
Lack of weapons would have been a problem, Simion was the only one that was armed. if the LA group dialed back to Destiny then Young's men would have been aiming guns at the gate because it was an unexpected incoming connection. Simion and the other LA would not have chance. they would be better to try to find a planet with Alien tech or a ship even.
As I've already stated, I am aware that was his plan. I am, however, questioning the logic of his plan. Simply returning to those individuals serves no real purpose. They would, after all, still be stranded with no way to return home. It makes far more sense to me to stick with Destiny at this point in the hope that the ship will eventually be in a position where he could escape to return to the LA, rather than to willingly accept exile in a far-off galaxy.
Maybe, but T-Bag wasn't there at the time! I mean, he went, uhh, unseen in the background...