SG-U – Malice - (2x08) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[David cgc]

I'm sad Ginn and Perry are dead, I wouldn't have thought it would have killed both of them, so what happened to the other body on the other side, is the body still alive but with no mind? Or is the body dead too? They need to explain this better.

Back in Avalon/Origin, when Vala's host body was killed in the Ori galaxy, her own body just stopped. Total heart failure. When her host was healed and revived by the Prior, her actual body came back to life, as well. So Mandy is dead-dead, not brain-dead.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

God, I never rate these things with a number because my mind just doesn't work that way but that was a good episode, and it's been trending well.

I like they way they've done aliens, that's been refreshing.

 

[Tom]

I don't tink syfy will cancel the show. There are 2 episodes left till the mid season break. The new Tv guide said it should come back in spring. I think Syfy realizes that Tuesday was a bad idea and will bring it back to Friday and may put it in the 10 pm slot in the spring (where sanctuary is now). As far as greenlighting a 3rd season it's 50/50 they may only order a half season, we will see.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The dreaded half-season break.

 

[sojourner]

Simian may have been a bad ass soldier, but he obviously never dealt with a bad ass scientist!

Previews for next week - a fresh crop of redshirts arrive!

 

[Graywand2]

This really was an enjoyable episode, today wasn't it?

And why does everyone diss the music montages? I've found some of the best songs from them.

-Gray

 

[firehawk12]

I admit I wasn't paying attention, but why exactly is the Lucian Alliance a credible threat to Earth?

I'm actually being serious here. They fought the equivalent of The Borg, The Q and those pesky Trill with the campy costumes and funny sounding names. Oh, let's not forget the super hot Twilight-esque vampires.

Maybe it's 20 years of baggage or whatever, but what the hell could a bunch of mercenaries have that could even compare to any of the previous aliens listed above?

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I admit I wasn't paying attention, but why exactly is the Lucian Alliance a credible threat to Earth?

I'm actually being serious here. They fought the equivalent of The Borg, The Q and those pesky Trill with the campy costumes and funny sounding names. Oh, let's not forget the super hot Twilight-esque vampires.

Maybe it's 20 years of baggage or whatever, but what the hell could a bunch of mercenaries have that could even compare to any of the previous aliens listed above?

Well even if they aren't a world killer type threat and are smacked down quickly, they could still wreak a lot of havok. I think any attack on earth no matter who it's from warrants caution.

 

[Brent]

We have so many weapons on Earth no one could be a threat. Ancient outpost in Antarctica, Atlantis itself on Earth, the entire Asgard database, ships with Asgard weapons, and when powered by a ZPM can take out even Ori ships easily, Goa'uld ships would be no issue, fighters, beaming technology, all the other various weapons and technologies acquired from their many years going through the gate, the entire Ancient database, advanced allies. Seriously, they took down the Goa'uld, the Ori, the Wraith, I hardly believe the LA using Goa'uld tech is really a threat. Compared to everything else they have Goa'uld technology is on the lower end of the food chain. Shoot, all they'd have to do is phase cloak Earth with Merlins thingy, problem solved.

 

[firehawk12]

I admit I wasn't paying attention, but why exactly is the Lucian Alliance a credible threat to Earth?

I'm actually being serious here. They fought the equivalent of The Borg, The Q and those pesky Trill with the campy costumes and funny sounding names. Oh, let's not forget the super hot Twilight-esque vampires.

Maybe it's 20 years of baggage or whatever, but what the hell could a bunch of mercenaries have that could even compare to any of the previous aliens listed above?

Well even if they aren't a world killer type threat and are smacked down quickly, they could still wreak a lot of havok. I think any attack on earth no matter who it's from warrants caution.

I don't disagree with you, but I just can't see what they can do to make it any more grander than the Ori or the Wraith.

Maybe if they finally acknowledged 9-11 and went all allegorical - the Lucian alliance spies formed sleeper cells and have planted white van nukes in all the major capitals on Earth and are prepared to detonate the bombs to begin a massive invasion from within...

I guess that makes more sense than a fleet of space ships, but I wonder if they'd be willing to go there. But then, at that point, I'd rather they spun it off and made "Stargate 24: The Jack Bauer chronicles".

Oh man, they could even bring back the Zats. "I've already zatted you twice. One more time and you're dead! Now tell me where the nukes are, DAMN IT!!!!"

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I admit I wasn't paying attention, but why exactly is the Lucian Alliance a credible threat to Earth?

I'm actually being serious here. They fought the equivalent of The Borg, The Q and those pesky Trill with the campy costumes and funny sounding names. Oh, let's not forget the super hot Twilight-esque vampires.

Maybe it's 20 years of baggage or whatever, but what the hell could a bunch of mercenaries have that could even compare to any of the previous aliens listed above?

Well even if they aren't a world killer type threat and are smacked down quickly, they could still wreak a lot of havok. I think any attack on earth no matter who it's from warrants caution.

I don't disagree with you, but I just can't see what they can do to make it any more grander than the Ori or the Wraith.

Maybe if they finally acknowledged 9-11 and went all allegorical - the Lucian alliance spies formed sleeper cells and have planted white van nukes in all the major capitals on Earth and are prepared to detonate the bombs to begin a massive invasion from within...

I guess that makes more sense than a fleet of space ships, but I wonder if they'd be willing to go there. But then, at that point, I'd rather they spun it off and made "Stargate 24: The Jack Bauer chronicles".

Oh man, they could even bring back the Zats. "I've already zatted you twice. One more time and you're dead! Now tell me where the nukes are, DAMN IT!!!!"

You have a point. But who says it's grander? All we heard was a Lucian attack was planned. We can't assume that means ships, considering earth's superior tech. We already know there are LA agents on earth from SGU. As you suggest, could be a terrorist type thing.

I imagine the LA could whip up some pretty serious terrorist type weapons if they wanted to. Or maybe they're planning a small scale commando assault to steal tech? We really don't know, a planned attack could mean a lot of different scenarios other than a ship spam assault that would likely be smacked down easily. So I think caution is definitely needed.

 

[firehawk12]

I guess it's just not all that interesting a threat because of how insane the writers have been during the SG-1 and SG:A years. They kept escalating and escalating to the point where they basically ended up fighting real life gods. The last SG movie involved a bad guy traveling through time to wipe out the current timeline. I don't think the Lucian Alliance can even spell time machine.

But sure, small scale could work great. At this point the biggest thing the Lucian Alliance could do is reveal the Stargate program to the world and just watch chaos and civil war ensue. But that would work much better as a new series, so I just don't see them going there - especially if everyone is stuck on Destiny.

 

[propita]

wherever they filmed this is beautiful

It kinda reminded of of the location used in the TOS ep 'Arena'. I half expected a Gorn or a Metron to show up.

The rocks are all wrong. ST used Vasquez Rocks, outside LA (Los Angeles). Gorgeous and strange. You can tell Vasquez Rocks from their tilt.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I imagine the LA could whip up some pretty serious terrorist type weapons if they wanted to. Or maybe they're planning a small scale commando assault to steal tech? We really don't know, a planned attack could mean a lot of different scenarios other than a ship spam assault that would likely be smacked down easily. So I think caution is definitely needed.

That has been my thought; looking at the way they were depicted in "Subversion" and "Incursion," it really seems like the producers have recast the LA as a terrorist group stand-in. Imagining a terror cell with access to Goauld death weapons is a terrifying prospect, actually.

As for the ep, loved it. Not as game-changing as last week, but the Rush and Eli stuff was just phenomenal.

 

[Chick_McGeester]

Nothing kills a shows momentum like a half year break. Cant wait to forget that the show was ever on to begin with. Or that the show has started a half year later...

 

[Uncle Tobias]

The big threat about the LA comes in the form of two things SGC has always been unable to stop: Cloaked cargo ships (which could wipe out cities with naquada-nukes) and the goa'uld mind control. There could be alot more people like Telford.

 

[DarKush]

First SGU episode I've watched since the season two premiere. It was a fairly brutal episode. Didn't have any emotional attachment to the people who died, but watching that Lucian Alliance guy mowing people down as he made his escape was a bit chilling.

I think the pacing for the show was off, but I liked how Rush didn't get a crisis of conscience and turn back around to help Scott and Greer get back to the gate. It was very much keeping in character, as was when he shot that dude in cold blood. It was even colder than when Worf took out Duras, one of my favorite TNG/TV moments.

Not sure what's going on with Chloe or all the shipboard stuff. It wasn't that interesting to me anyway.

 

[Yoda]

I don't want Ginn dead, sad face

Same here man, they should've killed Chloe instead. Nothing against EL, but the character is just like a bland piece of toast.

Ginn was frakkin' hot.

I actually agree that Chloe being killed would be a bit better, she is useless, but the show also invested a lot more time into her which would make her death, Scott's anger, etc, easier to sympathize with.

I'm sad Ginn and Perry are dead, I wouldn't have thought it would have killed both of them, so what happened to the other body on the other side, is the body still alive but with no mind? Or is the body dead too? They need to explain this better.

No they don't. It's probably the most logical aspect of the entire (plot) device that they've written

We have 9 hours till destiny jumps into ftl?? they control the ship know, that makes no sense.

I didn't get that either. Do they have partial control or just a pure flub?

Yes, the mighty master code. Why call it a master code if they can't... ya know... control the engines. Kind of silly.

Noooo! Don't kill Lt. Jugs!

Unfortunately she took the blast from the rear. Her front side is better protected.

I bet she does take the blast in the... oh forget it.

9/10 for the unnecessary Rush blame game and the Chloe stuff hurting the pacing a bit.

Wasn't that redshirt pretty much toast regardless of Rush's lies anyway? I don't get it.

And why does everyone diss the music montages? I've found some of the best songs from them.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but your taste in music sucks

First SGU episode I've watched since the season two premiere. It was a fairly brutal episode. Didn't have any emotional attachment to the people who died, but watching that Lucian Alliance guy mowing people down as he made his escape was a bit chilling.

The emotional attachments are definitely lacking. Rush's loss is obviously the biggest, Eli's is really kind of superficial... when it comes down to it some chick he knew for a couple of weeks max that he got it on with... big whoop. He'll get over it.

Strangely enough another show I watch this week had an extremely similar ending to SGU's last week. I'll keep it vague to avoid the spoiler factor, but on that show it really feels a lot harder hitting since they've spent much more effort developing the relationship between the characters, and I'm about a million times more interested to see what happens next there, as opposed to this week's SGU which had me waiting with... mild curiosity.

Anyway, it was a pretty decent episode, 7/10, but all the gun stuff and tracking seemed really awkward. I don't think T-Bag would've been missing like that at moderate range with targets that were basically out in the open not paying attention. And then they walk in a single direction for a few hours and Greer just then finds a track? C'mon man. It just didn't seem to make sense. It sure didn't feel like highly trained military professionals hunting down another highly trained military professional.

I was kind of hoping T-Bag would stick around on Destiny in John McClain Die Hard mode. Overall I think his character could've been used in a lot more interesting ways, but it was a better little arc than I would've expected from this creative team.

 

[TheInsideMan]

The big threat about the LA comes in the form of two things SGC has always been unable to stop: Cloaked cargo ships (which could wipe out cities with naquada-nukes) and the goa'uld mind control. There could be alot more people like Telford.

Wasn't that what some bad-Jaffa were planning to do in SG-1's Talion ??? (which I loved, BTW).

Some weapons-grade naqahdah (or even some naqahdah-reactors set to overload), and one cloaked cargo ship - items which the LA should to able to obtain. That's all they would need to mount an terrorist attack on Earth.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I was kind of hoping T-Bag would stick around on Destiny in John McClain Die Hard mode.

I think they already wore out their welcome with that when the LA first arrived.

I wonder how this will affect the Young/Rush dynamic, I mean Rush just connected with Young in fostering some level of cooperation before again utterly defying him for selfish gain yet again. I know the situation was extreme but it's not like this is the first time he's done something like this.