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SG-U – Divided (1x12) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Rate:? Divided

  • 10 Chevrons - Excellent

    Votes: 7 11.3%
  • 9 Chevrons

    Votes: 7 11.3%
  • 8 Chevrons

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • 7 Chevrons

    Votes: 15 24.2%
  • 6 Chevrons- Average

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • 5 Chevrons

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4 Chevrons

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 3 Chevrons

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • 2 Chevrons

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 Chevron - Sucked

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Total voters
    62
It's been a while since I popped in here and it's sort of sad to see the forum be slow nowadays, but all I have to save is that I apologize for hating Atlantis because this show is simply insufferable.

They just keep rebooting everything after every episode. How can that be interesting storytelling?
 
I enjoyed this episode. I think it was a nice follow-on to last week and I'm glad they brought the aliens back. And are keeping them a a bit mysterious, but still dangerous.

The one issue I had was I would think there would be some civilians who wouldn't side with Rush and Wray. I didn't quite buy that they would all join the mutiny.
 
My post from last week's episode (relevant parts bolded):
I feel there's more to Rush's story than he's letting on, vis a vis the aliens.

Also, I hope they can at least pretend that some of the people (besides Rush) opposing Young are of some intelligence and they're not just setting them up to fail and look stupid, so Young can "make the hard choices" and save the day...or some dumb shit like that. If they're going to go there with this juvenile "teh guys wit guns are meanies" plot, then at least try to make it original. Here's a thought: maybe they actually succeed. *GASP...the gall*.
I was so hoping they would surprise me with the whole mutiny plot, I really was. But sadly, no. They've tripped over so many TV tropes it would be impossible to list them all. It's positively breathtaking in its unoriginality. Are they even trying?

The problem with this kind of wash-rinse-repeat plot is that it guts the story of any dramatic tension, since you know how it's going to end. You know the reset button will be pushed because it always is. BSG handled this a lot better by simply having consequences to the mutiny (Anders getting put in a coma; Zarek and Gaeta being executed; Roslin coming out of her depression, etc.). LOST handled this a lot better, since the separation of the Losties was effectively the end of them as a cohesive group; things were never the same. Can anyone tell me anything that significantly changed on Destiny as a result of this mutiny-light, other than confirming what we all already knew (that there is no real, compelling reason for it and the people doing it are mostly unsympathetic and incompetent)?

*note: I DO NOT want this show to become a clone of either of those. Just providing context is all.*

I am really, really wanting to like this show, but stuff like this just proves that Wright and Malozzi are kids thinking they're big enough to go to the grown up party. I'm not saying that they can't pull off compelling drama, just that it doesn't seem like they're really trying. Like they're intentionally avoiding opportunities to do so. For instance, why was no one killed? This isn't just doing dark drama for dark drama's sake, as people are almost always killed when attempting real coups (see: Kyrgyzstan).

All that said, the episode was hardly bad. Putting aside my frustration over the mutiny (which might as well never have happened), it held my attention for the entire hour, which means it must have at least been somewhat entertaining.

For their part, the actors in the episode did a pretty good job of selling the believability of the situation from their perspective. And for once, Chloe seemed to have some purpose, which may have been a motivation for her joining the mutineers. TJ seemed unusually fired up :lol:. The Young/Rush dynamic remains the only visceral relationship on the show (Eli/Chloe a close second). And the surgery scene had a nice sense of tension and pace. I think they're setting up Wray for a catharsis or redemption somewhere down the line, as otherwise Ming-Na is wasted on this show (she is a pretty decent actor, after all).

More from my post last week:
...and these new aliens are some of the best looking ones I've seen on a SG'verse series. I hope there's more to them than "wanting Destiny", as such a shallow motivation will quickly put them in Replicator-zone.
It seems like these aliens are devolving into a plot device to create a vague, external threat for the characters to panic about. I hope I'm wrong, as there is still the mystery of "why".
 
I kept hoping they would be discovered to be under the control of the alien race. Otherwise it stretched disbelief for them to be committing treason (and hijacking) over something incredibly stupid.

For the record, the United States Constitution stipulates treason to be "Levying war against the United States and providing Aid and Comfort to it's enemies." When the civilians rose up against the lawful authority of the military (for all intents and purposes the United States, as it exists on that starship), it didn't become mutiny, as it would've been for the military personnel, it became treason.
 
^Who says the military's authority over the ship is "lawful" ? As Wray says, in every single country in the free world the military answers to a civilian government.

On top of that, we might like to forget about it now Atlantis is done, but the entire Stargate programme is operated under the auspices of the IOA - a civilian organisation.

The military on this ship have fired upon and assaulted civilians. They have no legal authority.

I'm going to give this a 7 out of 10.
 
Because the civilian government of the United States said it was. That's all that needs be said.

They gave it up the moment they fired on a civilian for any reason.

We've still got a guy walking around in a blood stained shirt, remember ?
 
He's not dead, and bear in mind it was Doctor Rush who ordered him shot.

Who cares if he's dead or not ?

Look what happens when Greer and co burst in to the mess hall. The first thing James does is strike a civilian. The first thing the Airman in the corridor does when this all started is raise his gun and Johannson just sits there and makes threats.

Their actions have not been "lawful" in any way, shape or form.

Peaceful protest against such behaviour is not treason.
 
A civilian who rushed her. If she'd shot him, then I'd agree with you. She just struck him with the butt of her rifle.
 
^The purpose of any military is to protect civilians. If they'd stuck to that since day one they wouldn't have been in this position in the first place.

Say whatever you want, this was not treason at all, it was a legitimate protest against a group of bullies with guns.
 
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TJ was right. What was the end game, lock the military personnel in the brig until an alien actually boarded the ship...again?
 
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TJ was right. What was the end game, lock the military personnel in the brig until an alien actually boarded the ship...again?

The point was to force an agreement where the military personnel accept civilian authority, just like Wray said.

Right now, Young is acting exactly as I expected him to - like someone who doesn't have anyone to answer to.
 
What the civilians fail to realize is that with the stones the military is in contact with the civilian command authority back on earth they did not have the right to sieze control of the vessel. Rush is within his rights to put them off at the next habital worl and leave them. 8 cheverons
 
^Why would Rush put the civilians off the ship ?

If you meant, Young, it was him attempting to put a civilian off the ship that caused this.

While there may be an immediate threat from the aliens, ultimately the entire Icarus project was a civilian one. The military should be there to protect the civilians from external threats and that's all - that's what the military in civilised countries exists for. They lack the competence to make any other decisions.
 
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TJ was right. What was the end game, lock the military personnel in the brig until an alien actually boarded the ship...again?

The point was to force an agreement where the military personnel accept civilian authority, just like Wray said.

Right now, Young is acting exactly as I expected him to - like someone who doesn't have anyone to answer to.

Let me guess? Or else! Bwahahaha
 
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TJ was right. What was the end game, lock the military personnel in the brig until an alien actually boarded the ship...again?

The point was to force an agreement where the military personnel accept civilian authority, just like Wray said.

Right now, Young is acting exactly as I expected him to - like someone who doesn't have anyone to answer to.

Just O'Neill who told him in Earth that he's in charge and it's not a democracy.
 
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Just O'Neill who told him in Earth that he's in charge and it's not a democracy.

Except Young determines who communicates with Earth and also when and how often.

What is O'Neill going to do about it anyway ? O'Neill wouldn't have left a civilian to die on an otherwise uninhabited planet. Sure, you can make the argument that Rush caused that by framing Young, but a responsible person removes himself from that issue and allows an objective authority to decide Rush's punishment.
 
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