News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

[tomalak301]

If there can be what, twentyish? superhero shows on simultaneously, I'm sure a few spacey shows won't hurt each other much...

There are too many superhero shows on at the moment and I might be dropping one, just because there's so much limited time.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I know some of the critics accuse Orville of "not knowing what it wants to be". I am not sure what that really means. There are plenty of shows that combine different elements like humor and drama. Stargate SG1 combined fun, campy moments with some very emotional serious moments (for example: Jacob's death). Futurama combined humor with some serious emotional moments (for ex: Fry's dog waiting for him). It is certainly possible to have both.

I think part of the issue is that there has become this alarming trend of wanting to compartmentalize what a series is. There isn't any real desire (nor ability in today's TV audience) to be able to switch gears while watching a TV series. It has to be one way and that's it. Many people can't get their head around a show that can have adventure and use a lighter touch to it.

I've shown people 60's adventure shows that have the quips, banter or humor interspersed. Some people don't know what to make of it, because they can't understand that a dangerous situation had a joke said in the middle of it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

There are too many superhero shows on at the moment and I might be dropping one, just because there's so much limited time.

Which is fine. The point is you have a diverse selection of shows to choose from. No one is saying you have to watch all of them and the same is true for space-faring shows.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Heck, I wish The Orville, Discovery, The Expanse, Killjoys they all succeed! I even wish they change their minds and Dark Matter gets renewed.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

So as far as Alara. Shouldn't a species from a planet with higher gravity be shorter and more muscular and have a higher mass?

When Alara knocks that door down, she would seem to have a lot more mass/weight. We know the Hulk can do that jump/flight thing like Alara did.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

So as far as Alara. Shouldn't a species from a planet with higher gravity be shorter and more muscular and have a higher mass?

When Alara knocks that door down, she would seem to have a lot more mass/weight. We know the Hulk can do that jump/flight thing like Alara did.

If I may continue your comic book analogy, Alara is more like Golden Age Superman or Supergirl. GA Kryptonians, though otherwise completely human, were physically superior to natives of Earth because Krypton's much heavier gravity made them all stronger, their muscles having evolved and adapted to the greater resistance.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Which is fine. The point is you have a diverse selections of shows to choose from. No one is saying you have to watch all of them and the same is true for space-faring shows.

Unfortunately, some Trek fans aren't feeling that way. They think that if you watch The Orville, you're betraying Star Trek. Got my head ripped off on Twitter for thanking The Orville folks for putting on a fun Sci-Fi series to go with Trek (which looks to be of a serious tone).

 

[Kai "the spy"]

So as far as Alara. Shouldn't a species from a planet with higher gravity be shorter and more muscular and have a higher mass?

When Alara knocks that door down, she would seem to have a lot more mass/weight. We know the Hulk can do that jump/flight thing like Alara did.

If I may continue your comic book analogy, Alara is more like Golden Age Superman or Supergirl. GA Kryptonians, though otherwise completely human, were physically superior to natives of Earth because Krypton's much heavier gravity made them all stronger, their muscles having evolved and adapted to the greater resistance.

John Carter on Mars.

 

[Sophie74656]

Unfortunately, some Trek fans aren't feeling that way. They think that if you watch The Orville, you're betraying Star Trek. Got my head ripped off on Twitter for thanking The Orville folks for putting on a fun Sci-Fi series to go with Trek (which looks to be of a serious tone).

I think if the Orville was being insulting to Trek, then I can see how watching it could be seen as betraying Trek. But that is not the case

 

[JD]

Yeah, there was even a poster over in the Discovery forum here who got pissy when someone else mentioned liking The Orville. I don't get that kind of an attitude, I like having so many different space sci-fi shows on the air right now. For a long time we didn't have any, so I'm thrilled that we actually have 4 on the air right now.

I ran out of steam on The Expanse, and have never seen Killjoys.

OK, I thought maybe you didn't know about them.

 

[Matthew Raymond]

The problem is that The Orville is Star Trek in space. It doesn't add anything significantly original. Not only is it Star Trek but it has very close analogues down to the character level with the android being like Data and Bortus being Worf. So it has a decidedly cover-version or knock-off feel to it, just as much as the new "serial number free" Renegades. Then add in crewmembers who worked on Trek and you really are skirting close to the line.

I would actually love to have a detailed discussion about this sort of thing in a separate thread. Would you join in if I started one?

Bioshock was made by the same people who made Systemshock 2.

The creator of the two games is the same, but I'm pretty sure the copyrights for the two games are owned by different publishers.

I ran out of steam on The Expanse, and have never seen Killjoys.

Dark Matter?

There are too many superhero shows on at the moment and I might be dropping one, just because there's so much limited time.

I've already dropped Arrow.

 

[Mudd]

You can't "betray Trek." Trek does not care.

There have been times when I've felt a little discomfort at criticizing Trek projects that I had friends working on. That's a little different.

It's entertainment. If it's not entertaining you, you owe it nothing.

I watch Supergirl and The Flash. I may let The Flash go this season; we'll see.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

So as far as Alara. Shouldn't a species from a planet with higher gravity be shorter and more muscular and have a higher mass?

When Alara knocks that door down, she would seem to have a lot more mass/weight. We know the Hulk can do that jump/flight thing like Alara did.

Well, if she's anything like Star Trek: New Frontier's Zak Kebron (who I keep thinking of in comparison to her), then perhaps she wears a special gravity belt that allows her to compensate for local gravity.

Unfortunately, some Trek fans aren't feeling that way. They think that if you watch The Orville, you're betraying Star Trek. Got my head ripped off on Twitter for thanking The Orville folks for putting on a fun Sci-Fi series to go with Trek (which looks to be of a serious tone).

Well, that's just plain obnoxious and those kind of people should be ignored.

 

[Marc]

He was only introduced as the second officer which really isn't a thing.

Lt Cmd Data would like to have a word with you about second officer (who are the 3rd most senior officer aboard a vessel after the captain and first officer/executive officer).

 

[B.J.]

So as far as Alara. Shouldn't a species from a planet with higher gravity be shorter and more muscular and have a higher mass?

Not necessarily. We have things like elephants and giraffes right here in the same 1G environment. Being stout or spindly is not wholly dependent on the gravitational pull.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I think if the Orville was being insulting to Trek, then I can see how watching it could be seen as betraying Trek.

You can't "betray Trek." Trek does not care.

- You were having release delays. There were entire months I couldn't watch you.
- Yeah, I was working for us, for you and I. You know this.
- I didn't ask you to do that. Okay? You just shut off from our relationship. I didn't know how to handle it.
- So you tuned in to The Orville in our bedroom TV. That's one way to handle it.
- Seth MacFarlane was there when you weren't...

 

[B.J.]

Lt Cmd Data would like to have a word with you about second officer (who are the 3rd most senior officer aboard a vessel after the captain and first officer/executive officer).

Pretty sure he was wondering what Bortas' actual job on the ship is, not the chain of command. Which "second officer" doesn't tell you.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Lt Cmd Data would like to have a word with you about second officer (who are the 3rd most senior officer aboard a vessel after the captain and first officer/executive officer).

I meant as a standalone job. Data was also the operations officer.

 

[Mudd]

I guess I just wonder if Alara gains any special visual powers under a yellow sun?

The tone of this show just lets them surf in a delightful way - here's some space stuff, here's some superhero stuff...

 

[CardassianAssassin]

Unfortunately, some Trek fans aren't feeling that way. They think that if you watch The Orville, you're betraying Star Trek. Got my head ripped off on Twitter for thanking The Orville folks for putting on a fun Sci-Fi series to go with Trek (which looks to be of a serious tone).

I think it may have something to do with "performance anxiety".

There's a new Trek show coming, an apparently dark, gritty one, that has seen a troubled production and hasn't been all that well received by the fan base.

There's a real anxiety that STD may fail.

And along comes an optimistic, Star-Trek-esque show that gets good ratings and is pretty well received by sci-fi fans.

That can create some tension. But is nothing like the shitstorm that's to come, if STD doesn't succeed and Orville does.

(Personally I liked all the previous ST shows. But I'm fairly agnostic and if Orville turns out to be a good show, heck that's good enough for me!)