Sequel/Transformers 2: we're in trouble

[Tom Riley]

Well, FWIW, being part of what I believe is probably the main age demographic that Transformers targets... I thought the first one was awesome and Revenge of The Fallen was soooo much better. The fight scenes were epic, the story worked just great for me, it had some of the funniest and most awesome lines I've ever heard in a movie, it was so incredibly entertaining. All of my friends who I went with all agreed that the movie was simply amazing. Actually, I saw RoTF at the drive in Wednesday night, and they had Star Trek playing as the second movie so I saw both back to back. And... I, actually, as much as I liked Star Trek, liked Transformers better...

*ducks*

What kind of movies do you normally like as I find you're post disturbing...

Funniest and most awesome lines in a movie??? Really??? You really want to say that........ and mean it...?? OK fine maybe it was entertaining but the most awesome lines in a movie??? Come on you can't really be serious unless you just haven't seen any quality films..... Funniest??? I'm sure Spinal Tap was much much funnier than this movie.

Yes, funniest and most awesome lines. My signature is one example. When

Spoiler: Epic line from the end of the movie

Optimus Prime said "Give me your face" as he ripped the face off of The Fallen

I was just without words. That really was like the best one-liner in a movie. Ever. It was just awesome. And when I said funniest, that was also being applied to the most awesome lines I was talking about, I wasn't saying the entire movie was funny like a comedy or something.

And I really don't think my taste in movies really matters, but hey I'll humor you. Things like The Dark Knight, Repo!, The Prestige, Mr. Brooks, The Departed, Donnie Darko, The Lord of The Rings Trilogy, Iron Man, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the new Spiderman movies, The Simpsons Movie, Austin Powers, most of the James Bond movies, the Bourne Trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean... things like that.

I mean come on,

‘Transformers’ sets new Wednesday record

Film debuted with $60.6 million domestically in its first day


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LOS ANGELES - Those “Transformers” robots are record-breakers at the box office.
Hollywood.com box-office analyst Paul Dergarabedian says “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” debuted with $60.6 million domestically in its first day, a new high for a Wednesday debut.
The previous best Wednesday opening was $44.2 million for “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix” in 2007.
The “Transformers” sequel also came in with the second-biggest single-day revenues, behind only “The Dark Knight,” with $67.2 million. “The Dark Knight” and “Spider-Man 3” opened on Friday.

that doesn't sound like a bad movie to me. I mean clearly not everyone likes the same movies but I personally thought RoTF was amazing.

 

[Borgminister]

This is the second time I've heard of Star Trek playing in a double feature with Transformers 2...

Very smart.

 

[Kpnuts]

that doesn't sound like a bad movie to me.

So because a bunch of people turned up to see the film for the first time.... that means the film is good?

Surely no one can be that dumb as to think that?

I mean clearly not everyone likes the same movies but I personally thought RoTF was amazing.

*cringe* it was godawful, embarassing, racist, and boring all in two and half over-long hours.

 

[Aike]

Michael Bay is the king of movies.

 

[VOODOOXI]

Two words: Michael Bay

This guy is a hack who takes all the soul out of any film he touches and replaces it with loud explosions.

 

[Kpnuts]

Michael Bay is the king of movies.

 

[Rackon]

I have even more respect for Michael Bay now that I've read the USA Today article.

The man isn't ashamed to admit: He likes popcorn feel-good movies where a lot of stuff blows up. What's not to love about that? At least he's honest. Not every movie in existence has to be this hand-wringing existential ultra-serious Dogma 95 crap. Sometimes you just want to have FUN.

I have more fun at "smart" movies. Honestly.

I do genuinely enjoy many foreign, art, classic, independent films. I think my top film of all time is Renoir's Rules Of The Game. But there is plenty pretentious crapola around too. (Not even Von Trier is making movies according to the Dogma strictures anymore.) An artistic/artfully executed film is not by definition boring. And I completely understand that The 400 Blows or Solaris or The Draughtsman's Contract or even Blue Velvet aren't for everyone.

BUT...when it comes to popular cinema...I like my popcorn with a flavor, thank you very much.

I will take Inside Man over Bad Boys 2.

I will take State Of Play over Angels and Demons.

I will take Iron Man over Terminator Salvation.

I will take Star Trek 09 over Transformers 2.

I never played with Transformer toys. Plus, I like they way Abrams blew up stuff in Trek better. You couldn't pay me enough to see GI Joe.

EDIT - Oh, I just thought of a wonderful and entertaining movie using Dogma theories - 2008's Let The Right One In, one of the best vampire movies ever. Highly recommended.

 

[M'Sharak]

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I mean come on,

‘Transformers’ sets new Wednesday record

Film debuted with $60.6 million domestically in its first day


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[Qonos]

The Twins are a play on Kevin Ferderline and the like not on black people. Get your facts right.

 

[MvRojo]

The Twins are a play on Kevin Ferderline and the like not on black people. Get your facts right.

Where are the facts supporting that statement?

 

[Qonos]

www.donmurphy.net.

Go ask Roberto yourself. He hangs there.

 

[USS Gettysburg]

Why in the world would you try and compare the two? I mean really? Writers write crap and they write gold. These guys have done Lost and the have done Xena: Princess Warrior. So what. They wrote a great movie in Trek, give them a break and have a little faith.

Btw, everyone does know that T2 was also produced by Steven Spielberg? Soo... does that delegitmize his past and future work? Is Schindler's List suddenly crap? COME ON. Wow.

Also, in case you biz savy people haven't noticed, you play to your audience. If they want good writing you give them good writing. If they want SFX and stunts thats what you give. Obviously despite its lack of critical aclaim T2, its producers, Orci, Kurtzman, and Michael Bay will all laugh at you as they skip to the bank. Play to your audience.

 

[Tom Riley]

that doesn't sound like a bad movie to me.

So because a bunch of people turned up to see the film for the first time.... that means the film is good?

Ok, first of all, a big opening night means it is highly anticipated. It's got to be highly anticipated for some reason. In this case, the first one was very popular. Now, no that does not mean that the movie is definitively good, but it's a very good sign.

Surely no one can be that dumb as to think that?

Now now, surely we can leave unnecessary things like this out of the conversation.

I mean clearly not everyone likes the same movies but I personally thought RoTF was amazing.

*cringe* it was godawful, embarassing, racist, and boring all in two and half over-long hours.

GREAT, your opinion.

Also, in case you biz savy people haven't noticed, you play to your audience. If they want good writing you give them good writing. If they want SFX and stunts thats what you give. Obviously despite its lack of critical aclaim T2, its producers, Orci, Kurtzman, and Michael Bay will all laugh at you as they skip to the bank. Play to your audience.

Exactly
This one is targeted at the same demographic as the first Transformers, which did extremely well in the demographic they targeted. Everyone I've talked to so far (save some people on here) have ALL thought the movie was amazing. All of my friends who have seen it so far, have loved it. I believe they have done a great job making a movie that is going to be very well liked by the audience that they intended.

 

[Kpnuts]

Ok, first of all, a big opening night means it is highly anticipated. It's got to be highly anticipated for some reason. In this case, the first one was very popular. Now, no that does not mean that the movie is definitively good, but it's a very good sign.

No it is not a very good sign that the movie is good. It means that the movie is highly anticipated. Nothing to do with the quality of the movie. How can people know it's good and decide to turn up if they haven't even seen it yet! And don't point me in the direction of reviews because they've been mostly slating the film. And rightly so.

A big opening weekend means the film is popular, it is NOT in any way a reflection of it's quality, or lack thereof.

REPEAT viewings mean the moviegoers liked it. Not the opening weekend when no one has seen it.

Everyone I've talked to so far (save some people on here) have ALL thought the movie was amazing. All of my friends who have seen it so far, have loved it. I believe they have done a great job making a movie that is going to be very well liked by the audience that they intended.

Then you have immature friends who laugh at fart jokes, robots humping girls legs and robot balls.

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/

21% !!!!

 

[Ovation]

Everyone I've talked to so far (save some people on here) have ALL thought the movie was amazing. All of my friends who have seen it so far, have loved it. I believe they have done a great job making a movie that is going to be very well liked by the audience that they intended.

Then you have immature friends who laugh at fart jokes, robots humping girls legs and robot balls.

So he and his friends are young men, then? Or were you attending Bergman retrospectives and reading Camus at the age of 19 for amusement? It may not be my cup of tea (I'm in my forties, not my late teens, early twenties). It may not even be "good cinema" by the standards used to measure such a thing (inexact as they may be). But if the target audience enjoys it, then it will largely have met its goals. What really separates, in my opinion, "good cinema" (or "good art" in general) is an ability to appeal to those outside the "target audience". However, if all it does is satisfy its target audience, it is not a complete failure (even if it may not be critically praiseworthy).

 

[Borgminister]

Everyone I've talked to so far (save some people on here) have ALL thought the movie was amazing. All of my friends who have seen it so far, have loved it. I believe they have done a great job making a movie that is going to be very well liked by the audience that they intended.

Then you have immature friends who laugh at fart jokes, robots humping girls legs and robot balls.

So he and his friends are young men, then? Or were you attending Bergman retrospectives and reading Camus at the age of 19 for amusement? It may not be my cup of tea (I'm in my forties, not my late teens, early twenties). It may not even be "good cinema" by the standards used to measure such a thing (inexact as they may be). But if the target audience enjoys it, then it will largely have met its goals. What really separates, in my opinion, "good cinema" (or "good art" in general) is an ability to appeal to those outside the "target audience". However, if all it does is satisfy its target audience, it is not a complete failure (even if it may not be critically praiseworthy).

And why the heck does it need "repeat business" when the entire world is going to see it right now?

By the way, it'll likely get that repeat business, since the people who saw the movie appear largely to have liked it.

Critics be damned...

 

[Phily B]

Transformers 2 was awful. I can't turn my brain off like some people though. It would be a lot better without the human characters.

 

[Tom Servo]

They're not different. They are stylistically the same. That is why the two are being compared.

Do I really have to sit down and explain the many different ways the tone and maturity of these films differ, only to have you refuse to accept it because of your irrational hatred for the new Star Trek film? I'm going to go with no.

They are different, anyone can see that. If you don't, it's because you don't really understand films, stories, or anything else that takes place in front of your eyes. Or, more accurately, don't want to understand in this case, since I'm sure, as a Star Trek fan, that you're not actually an idiot.

You go with no yet still keep rambling on. Both movies are stylistically the same. An explosion here and explosion there. Shake the camera around so no one can see what's happening on screen. Both movies had the same tone and maturity level. Neither film had a point. They both catered to the same mindless crowd.

Well I'm certainly sorry they didn't meet your lofty expectations. I'm sure they will ask your input for the next film, just to appease you.

If you can't see the major, MAJOR differences between these films, then I guess there is nothing else to talk about.

 

[Grant]

Every time someone writes a racist sterotype they use the lame excuse they 'are making fun of (some white guy)' not blacks.

In other words if some white guy acts that way he's a lame jerk and it's okay to mock him. But then who is the 'lame white guy mimicing? He's obviously mimicing blacks. So in reality it is just a back-door way of mocking black hip-hop culture.

The guys doing the voices of the 'hip-hop' robots were BLACK so they were clearly NOT mocking Federline. They clearly didn't hire two black guys to mock Federline. It was said they ad-libbed a lot of the dialogue. THEY thought it was funny.

The bigger problem is our people in our socitety not having the guts to say they despise black hip-hop culture (I do)
They think it's ignorant and uncilivized but they can only mock it when moronic whites do the same thing.

Oh and the two franchises are totally different and the writers know that. The Trek sequel won't be anything like Transformers.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Twins are a play on Kevin Ferderline and the like not on black people. Get your facts right.

Where are the facts supporting that statement?

A dig at black folks or not...they're just monstrously lazy and stupid characters.