Spoilers Seeming contradiction between S2 finale and Season 1 (spoilers for S2 finale)

[Yistaan]

Yeah, like I said the official record was changed.

Worf: General Martok will not give you a command. He says that you struck his name from an officers list because his family comes from the Ketha lowlands.
Kor: The reason was because he did not bother to learn basic Klingon history. He claims the Klingon Empire never attempted an attack on Starfleet headquarters. He did not even know who T'Kuvma was, by Kahless!

 

[SolarisOne]

implying a biological pathway exists to allow it without medical intervention.

They're still not the same species. We can't even interbreed with our closest extant genetic relatives, Chimpanzees (yes, someone actually tried that.) So how can one expect two alien species, no matter how similar they may look on the outside, to be able to interbreed even with medical intervention?
/rant

I agree, which is why I preferred the novel to DSC’s take on the idea. Something that started as a glorified tip-line just kept getting more and more ambitious without anyone ever knowing, and when it was discovered and stopped, people asked themselves if they’d been living a lie and would decide, by their future actions without a secret murder-computer watching their backs, if that was the case.

Except it wasn't stopped in the novel. Everything that happened was planned by Control, decades in advance (except for the mind-blowingly large death toll from the Borg invasion of 2381.)

 

[The Wormhole]

Worf: General Martok will not give you a command. He says that you struck his name from an officers list because his family comes from the Ketha lowlands.
Kor: The reason was because he did not bother to learn basic Klingon history. He claims the Klingon Empire never attempted an attack on Starfleet headquarters. He did not even know who T'Kuvma was, by Kahless!

Worf: You know those events are struck from the official record. It is treasonous to speak of those things.
Kor: It is? When did the Chancellor decide this?
Worf: Over a hundred and twenty years ago!
Kor: Huh. Well, we are giving ships to the Romulans now, who really understand politics?
Worf: That was a hundred - oh, never mind.

 

[Yistaan]

Worf: You know those events are struck from the official record. It is treasonous to speak of those things.
Kor: It is? When did the Chancellor decide this?
Worf: Over a hundred and twenty years ago!
Kor: Huh. Well, we are giving ships to the Romulans now, who really understand politics?
Worf: That was a hundred - oh, never mind.

What happens when the Chancellor who strikes events from the official record is herself stricken from the official record??

 

[The Wormhole]

Who says L'Rell get struck from the official record?

 

[dahj]

The Klingons also altered their records. According to General Martok, Klingons never considered a direct attack on Earth.

I think they just forgot.
There was no glorious battle, and no songs were sung about that time they kinda creeped menacingly towards Earth for a bit before going home so nobody cared to remember it.

 

[Longinus]

They're still not the same species. We can't even interbreed with our closest extant genetic relatives, Chimpanzees (yes, someone actually tried that.) So how can one expect two alien species, no matter how similar they may look on the outside, to be able to interbreed even with medical intervention?
/rant

Yep. And this issue was actually addressed in TNG, where it was explicitly stated that humans and Klingons cannot interbreed without genetic tampering. This should apply to all hybrids, and I deem any writer who doesn't realise that to be silly.

 

[Gonzo]

The whole change the records because canon is silly to begin with. But if we feel we need to find a logical reason for why would the Klingons would feel compelled to change their records, Tyler asked L'Rell and she can't say no to him. It makes about as much sense as this whole scenario anyway.

They would have been better off just having a reset instead with the Discovery and Burnham being immune due to the time crystal which wouldn't have mattered as they were going to the future anyway.

Problem solved with no need for unlikely record changes and mums the word pinky swears.

If they dont ignore the probe there still can be one of they want.

 

[Amasov]

Spoilers for Season 2 finale here.

In the end, Starfleet classifies Michael Burnham's very existence and forbids any discussion of her in a (to me) forced way to correlate with the rest of Star Trek canon.

However, even if Starfleet officers all vow never to speak of her, the fact is everyone knows her. Season 1 showed that most of Starfleet blamed her for the Klingon War. Even Kirk, McCoy ,Scotty, etc. (who would be junior officers at this time probably) would have heard of her. Yes, they all would vow not to speak of her, but honestly wouldn't this just cause uncomfortable silences around Spock instead of, you know, people genuinely forgetting her?

Even if all Starfleet personnel eventually adapt to not speaking of Burnham and learn to act normally about the massive coverup around one of the Federation's most infamous figures, nothing is stopping the Klingons from screaming about her every chance they get. Kor should be challenging Spock to a duel upon learning of his identity in Errand of Mercy to avenge the slayer of T'Kuvma, as should every Klingon Spock encounters across his life (and there are a lot).

Thoughts?

That's why the official record is that Michael is presumed lost along with Discovery. Don't forget that even Pike, himself, wasn't aware of what the spore drive was when he came aboard Discovery, so, it calls into question how many people in Starfleet were aware of its existence in the first place.

 

[Gonzo]

Yep. And this issue was actually addressed in TNG, where it was explicitly stated that humans and Klingons cannot interbreed without genetic tampering. This should apply to all hybrids, and I deem any writer who doesn't realise that to be silly.

Yeah it's always seemed a bit silly to me, copper blood based humanoids shouldn't be compatible with iron blood based humanoids.

I understand why they did it but it is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Yistaan]

Who says L'Rell get struck from the official record?

No one, it was a rhetorical question.

Yeah it's always seemed a bit silly to me, copper blood based humanoids shouldn't be compatible with iron blood based humanoids. I understand why they did it but it is a bit ridiculous.

So humans can go to the orion colony without worrying about birth control, no wonder pike was fixated on going.

Vulcans should just deal with pon farr with non vulcans and not worry about a betrothal. Eventually the vulcan race will just die out.

 

[SolarisOne]

Who says L'Rell get struck from the official record?

Who watches the watchers?

 

[Gonzo]

No one, it was a rhetorical question.

So humans can go to the orion colony without worrying about birth control, no wonder pike was fixated on going.

Vulcans should just deal with pon farr with non vulcans and not worry about a betrothal. Eventually the vulcan race will just die out.

I used the Vulcans and Humans as an extreme example due to having such different blood chemistry.

Orion's could be all right, I am still sad over the loss of Gaila's green butt.

 

[David cgc]

Except it wasn't stopped in the novel. Everything that happened was planned by Control, decades in advance (except for the mind-blowingly large death toll from the Borg invasion of 2381.)

Oh, do you believe everything a sociopathic egomaniacal computer tells you? It was deliberately ambiguous, but I tend to believe the epilogue was Control squandering its last few nanoseconds of existence corncobbing (or, a little less dismissively, that Control's "version two" was building the strength of Federation values enough they would survive and propagate throughout the universe as a viral meme without any sort of conscious guidance by the ghost in the machine), and not a sincere explanation of how not a single sparrow falls to the ground unless it's part of Control's master genius plan. How else to explain the page after that?

Anyway, we can pick that up in more detail in the TrekLit review thread for the book, where all my detailed thoughts are.

 

[Kemaiku]

They're still not the same species. We can't even interbreed with our closest extant genetic relatives, Chimpanzees (yes, someone actually tried that.) So how can one expect two alien species, no matter how similar they may look on the outside, to be able to interbreed even with medical intervention?

Given we're talking about consenting adults, letting them fuck and seeing what happens. And we did. Spock.

 

[BillJ]

Funny. Does the term "Prime Universe" really mean anything when the writers can just go "it's classified" as an explanation for anything that they do that doesn't fit?

 

[Longinus]

Funny. Does the term "Prime Universe" really mean anything when the writers can just go "it's classified" as an explanation for anything that they do that doesn't fit?

I bet the cloaking devices were classified too!

 

[Alan Roi]

I think they just forgot.
There was no glorious battle, and no songs were sung about that time they kinda creeped menacingly towards Earth for a bit before going home so nobody cared to remember it.

Well, its kind of embarrassing when you have to say exactly why you had to go home.

 

[Alan Roi]

Funny. Does the term "Prime Universe" really mean anything when the writers can just go "it's classified" as an explanation for anything that they do that doesn't fit?

Is that any different from Worf saying "We don't talk about that?"

 

[Longinus]

Is that any different from Worf saying "We don't talk about that?"

Yes. That was a joke.