Spoilers Seeming contradiction between S2 finale and Season 1 (spoilers for S2 finale)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Yistaan, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Worf: General Martok will not give you a command. He says that you struck his name from an officers list because his family comes from the Ketha lowlands.
    Kor: The reason was because he did not bother to learn basic Klingon history. He claims the Klingon Empire never attempted an attack on Starfleet headquarters. He did not even know who T'Kuvma was, by Kahless!
     
  2. SolarisOne

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    They're still not the same species. We can't even interbreed with our closest extant genetic relatives, Chimpanzees (yes, someone actually tried that.) So how can one expect two alien species, no matter how similar they may look on the outside, to be able to interbreed even with medical intervention?
    /rant

    Except it wasn't stopped in the novel. Everything that happened was planned by Control, decades in advance (except for the mind-blowingly large death toll from the Borg invasion of 2381.)
     
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  3. The Wormhole

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    Worf: You know those events are struck from the official record. It is treasonous to speak of those things.
    Kor: It is? When did the Chancellor decide this?
    Worf: Over a hundred and twenty years ago!
    Kor: Huh. Well, we are giving ships to the Romulans now, who really understand politics?
    Worf: That was a hundred - oh, never mind.
     
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  4. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    What happens when the Chancellor who strikes events from the official record is herself stricken from the official record?? :shrug: :klingon:
     
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  5. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Who says L'Rell get struck from the official record?
     
  6. dodge

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    I think they just forgot.
    There was no glorious battle, and no songs were sung about that time they kinda creeped menacingly towards Earth for a bit before going home so nobody cared to remember it.
     
  7. Longinus

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    Yep. And this issue was actually addressed in TNG, where it was explicitly stated that humans and Klingons cannot interbreed without genetic tampering. This should apply to all hybrids, and I deem any writer who doesn't realise that to be silly.
     
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  8. Gonzo

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    They would have been better off just having a reset instead with the Discovery and Burnham being immune due to the time crystal which wouldn't have mattered as they were going to the future anyway.

    Problem solved with no need for unlikely record changes and mums the word pinky swears.

    If they dont ignore the probe there still can be one of they want. :shrug:
     
  9. Amasov

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    That's why the official record is that Michael is presumed lost along with Discovery. Don't forget that even Pike, himself, wasn't aware of what the spore drive was when he came aboard Discovery, so, it calls into question how many people in Starfleet were aware of its existence in the first place.
     
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  10. Gonzo

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    Yeah it's always seemed a bit silly to me, copper blood based humanoids shouldn't be compatible with iron blood based humanoids.

    I understand why they did it but it is a bit ridiculous.
     
  11. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No one, it was a rhetorical question.
    So humans can go to the orion colony without worrying about birth control, no wonder pike was fixated on going.

    Vulcans should just deal with pon farr with non vulcans and not worry about a betrothal. Eventually the vulcan race will just die out.
     
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  12. SolarisOne

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    Who watches the watchers?
     
  13. Gonzo

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    I used the Vulcans and Humans as an extreme example due to having such different blood chemistry.

    Orion's could be all right, I am still sad over the loss of Gaila's green butt. :biggrin:
     
  14. David cgc

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    Oh, do you believe everything a sociopathic egomaniacal computer tells you? It was deliberately ambiguous, but I tend to believe the epilogue was Control squandering its last few nanoseconds of existence corncobbing (or, a little less dismissively, that Control's "version two" was building the strength of Federation values enough they would survive and propagate throughout the universe as a viral meme without any sort of conscious guidance by the ghost in the machine), and not a sincere explanation of how not a single sparrow falls to the ground unless it's part of Control's master genius plan. How else to explain the page after that?

    Anyway, we can pick that up in more detail in the TrekLit review thread for the book, where all my detailed thoughts are.
     
  15. Kemaiku

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    Given we're talking about consenting adults, letting them fuck and seeing what happens. And we did. Spock.
     
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  16. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    Funny. Does the term "Prime Universe" really mean anything when the writers can just go "it's classified" as an explanation for anything that they do that doesn't fit?
     
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  17. Longinus

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    I bet the cloaking devices were classified too!
     
  18. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Well, its kind of embarrassing when you have to say exactly why you had to go home.
     
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  19. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Is that any different from Worf saying "We don't talk about that?"
     
  20. Longinus

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    Yes. That was a joke.