Section 31: I hope it still happens.

[Gonzo]

I haven't seen anything to indicate it is not going ahead still.

On the other hand it has gone very quiet on the S31 news front.

There is no doubt that SNW is a safer bet than a S31 show and this is coming from someone who has no problem with how S31 has been shown.

Will they go ahead with SNW instead while the iron is hot or move forward with both of them at the same time.

A lot will depend on the contract details and availability of the cast.

Whatever happens they will need to bring Georgiou back from the future for the show, unless they have decided to not go ahead with the S31 show and keep Georgiou in the future instead.

Who knows.

 

[Cyrus]

because they wanted to film season 1 and 2 back to back

I believe there is a web site that makes this back to back seasons claim for all the CBS Star Trek shows, i.e. they will produce S31 and SNW seasons 1 & 2, Picard seasons 2 &3 and Discovery seasons 4 & 5 back to back. While there is some logic to this and it could save them money there has been no confirmation of any of it.

Lower Decks got a 2 season order and it was announced. Kurtzman has said that Nickelodeon animated series has a similar deal. But nothing has been said with respect to the other shows. All the interviews with Picard writers indicate they are only writing the second season. And if Sir Patrick doesn't want to do 20 episodes back to back at his age that would put an end to that idea.

While these 2 seasons deals might happen for some of these series, I will take these reports with a grain of salt until there is some official announcement. I personally prefer they do each series one season at a time.

 

[Visitor1982]

Filming season back to back does seem logical from a money perspective, but I'm not sure actors are willing to work for 14 months on the same project. On the other hand, it would give them more room for other projects after. I mean, if Discovery gets picked up for season 6 and 7, there would probably be a large gap between the production of season 4 & 5 and 6 & 7.

 

[ED-209]

Whatever happens they will need to bring Georgiou back from the future for the show, unless they have decided to not go ahead with the S31 show and keep Georgiou in the future instead.

Unless she stays in the future, we know they're going to a future in which the Federation doesn't exist - maybe season 3 ends with it been reborn and Georgiu slyly gets pulled aside and asked to setup what used to be known as Section 31.

 

[fireproof78]

There are 4 pages, I'm not going to trhough each one.

It was the post right before yours that they posted it in? O_O

I'm glad we are all on the same page now but I really don't know what else The Wormhole could be referring when talking about filming in May being delayed.

 

[ED-209]

It was the post right before yours that they posted it in? O_O

I'm glad we are all on the same page now but I really don't know what else The Wormhole could be referring when talking about filming in May being delayed.

Sigh, that was after my initial post which is what he was talking about in that reply.

 

[fireproof78]

Sigh, that was after my initial post which is what he was talking about in that reply.

Ok...his reply was a statement about the production of Section 31 show.


Never mind; moving on.

 

[ED-209]

Ok...his reply was a statement about the production of Section 31 show.


Never mind; moving on.

Yep, the reply AFTER I said “strange we’ve heard so little about it” so my 4 pages comment stands, it wasn’t “the comment before mine”.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep, the reply AFTER I said “strange we’ve heard so little about it” so my 4 pages comment stands, it wasn’t “the comment before mine”.

Ok, it's still inaccurate. That screenshot shows Wormhole commenting on your post and you replying. It was right before yours.

I don't see the confusion here. Unless you thought The Wormhole was referring to something else?

 

[BillJ]

Not something I’ll miss if they don’t do it, will sample it if they do.

 

[fireproof78]

Not something I’ll miss if they don’t do it, will sample it if they do.

What if they did (I don't think they will but thought experiment) Section 31 in the future?

 

[BillJ]

What if they did (I don't think they will but thought experiment) Section 31 in the future?

For me, it kinda revolves around the same issue, new shows can do the premise better without the Trek baggage. Sci-fi SS/Gestapo? Interesting. In the Trek universe? Not so much.

 

[Gonzo]

For me, it kinda revolves around the same issue, new shows can do the premise better without the Trek baggage. Sci-fi SS/Gestapo? Interesting. In the Trek universe? Not so much.

A show based around S31 is not going to appeal to every one.

As shown by the comments on this forum about S31 in Discovery and even before that in DS9, the Star Trek viewerbase is

Its why I think they may change their approach and keep Georgiou on Discovery for longer than originally intended, there always seems to be another show they want to produce first.

When did they first talk about the S31 show?

Its been years with nothing to show for it and they still have to send Georgiou back to the pre TOS era.

They could have filmed it last year and then held it back until Disco S3 is shown, while I am absolutely fine with the idea of the show I get the feeling it may not be as done a deal as it was when it was first announced, a lot has happened since then.

At this point I really wouldn't blame them if they shelve it and just keep Georgiou on the Discovery.

 

[BillJ]

As shown by the comments on this forum about S31 in Discovery and even before that in DS9.

I think Section 31 is fine in small, controlled doses. A series focusing solely on it? I don’t think it fits Trek generally. Also, you destroy all the mystery of it as a series.

 

[fireproof78]

They could have filmed it last year and then held it back until Disco S3 is shown, while I am absolutely fine with the idea of the show I get the feeling it may not be as done a deal as it was when it was first announced, a lot has happened since then.

I think they are testing the waters still and getting a sense of the audience's reception. The warm reception to Yeoh as Georgiou was an indication of a possible way to go, while the warmer reception to Pike indicated that was a more strong bet. Plus, having the sets built, and able to continue their nostalgia appeal probably feels a whole lot safer.

As much as I want to see S31 in a series with a little bit different perspective CBS is going to play it safe.

 

[The Wormhole]

What if they did (I don't think they will but thought experiment) Section 31 in the future?

What does a futuristic Section 31 really mean, though? Even tighter black leather? Black leather that's so tight, they consider Intendant Kira's outfit baggy?

 

[fireproof78]

What does a futuristic Section 31 really mean, though? Even tighter black leather? Black leather that's so tight, they consider Intendant Kira's outfit baggy?

 

[Lord Garth]

What does a futuristic Section 31 really mean, though? Even tighter black leather? Black leather that's so tight, they consider Intendant Kira's outfit baggy?

Future Section 31 means not bumping up against TOS.

After two years of watching DSC episodes and thinking "This is awesome!", then having someone come in and say "But what about how this effects TOS?!", and then me having to constantly bite my tongue so I wouldn't say what I really wanted to say, I'm done with prequels as a matter of principle. I'm still not sure how fans of ENT didn't go crazy at the time. Until the first two seasons of DSC, I never fully understood what ENT Fans had to put up with.

There's nothing anyone can do about when SNW takes place. It has to be the 23rd Century. But for everything else? If they can help it, I'd say keep it out of Prequel Territory.

 

[fireproof78]

If they can help it, I'd say keep it out of Prequel Territory.

While TOS is completely my era (both Original, Kelvin, and DSC and SNW) I am in agreement. The constant bitching about continuity is sucking the life out of something that supposedly is supposed to be fun.

 

[brandnewfan]

While TOS is completely my era (both Original, Kelvin, and DSC and SNW) I am in agreement. The constant bitching about continuity is sucking the life out of something that supposedly is supposed to be fun.

It can be both fun and stick to canon. It's not that hard. Having said that, I enjoy Discovery (and I enjoyed Enterprise) and I don't take much issue with some of the changes they made. My biggest complaint is the Klingons. Especially given that Enterprise gave a clear reason why TOS Klingons looked different, now Discovery Klingons look even stranger with no explanation. It just seems like an unnecessary change and possibly a very large oversight by the production/writing staff--which, if the case, is cause for concern seeing as canon and continuity IS a big part of the franchise.. But even with that, I still like Discovery, and I know some fans complain endlessly about stuff like that...I'm not one of them, even if I recognize their complaints.

But yes, I would prefer something not being held down by TOS constraints, both real ones and fan-made ones.