Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread
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With all respect, I hope not. We don’t need prequels and televised backstories on everyone important in Trek history. A „How Garrett became captain“ show would just connect dots, try hard to avoid introducing stuff that TNG/VOY/DS9 introduced (like, no Borg, no Romulans). Plus, they’d likely visually violate established continuity on ship designs, Starfleet uniforms and ship interiors.
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Yeah, fair enough - It was more just a random thought in the surprising absence of other significant positives that came out of S31.
I would, however, like to see a "lost era" series where maybe Garrett could have a recurring role.
I would, however, like to see a "lost era" series where maybe Garrett could have a recurring role.
Well, I do consider it a positive that we got resolution on Georgiou's arc, as sloppily executed as it was. I know this isn't a widely held opinion, but I find the character fascinating.
On a personal note, it gave me a few bits of information that I am going to incorporate into a project that I started working on a few days ago. It's really just an exercise to get my mind used to the process of writing again. Training myself to put one word in front of the other on a keyboard once more in a cohesive manner. "A Brief History of the United Federation of Planets", covering 2063 to 3192.
Yeah. "Brief". I thought to myself, "maybe I can make it novela length". My word count is already over 12,000, and I've only reached the events of Star Trek III.
Indeed, that escalated quickly. 
However, I find myself really enjoying the process. By the time I'm done with this I will be ready to try something a little more original.
On a personal note, it gave me a few bits of information that I am going to incorporate into a project that I started working on a few days ago. It's really just an exercise to get my mind used to the process of writing again. Training myself to put one word in front of the other on a keyboard once more in a cohesive manner. "A Brief History of the United Federation of Planets", covering 2063 to 3192.
Yeah. "Brief". I thought to myself, "maybe I can make it novela length". My word count is already over 12,000, and I've only reached the events of Star Trek III.
Indeed, that escalated quickly. However, I find myself really enjoying the process. By the time I'm done with this I will be ready to try something a little more original.
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I love the actress who played Rachel Garrett and would watch a Star Trek series starring her.
I now have headcanon of a scene where Georgiou is on the Barram thinking that she's alone and turns around and sees now-Ambassador Spock, played by Ethan Peck of course.
Given the personal connections between the two, Georgiou is momentarily taken back, something very rare for the former Emperor, but Spock only asks one thing-- "Just tell me, is she well?"
Regaining her composure and softening, realizing that Spock needed the closure without violating any temporal regulations, Georgiou smiles and says, "Oh, yes, Spock. When last I saw her, she was thriving."
A weight seems to be taken off of Spock's demeanor. He briefly regards the former emperor, and simply says, "Thank you.", and turns around and leaves.
That's it. Not a whole story, not even a whole scene, just a snippet. Something I would have loved to have seen if this had ever gone to series.
ETA: GOD DAMN IT, AM I GOING TO WRITE A SECTION 31 FANFICTION?
Given the personal connections between the two, Georgiou is momentarily taken back, something very rare for the former Emperor, but Spock only asks one thing-- "Just tell me, is she well?"
Regaining her composure and softening, realizing that Spock needed the closure without violating any temporal regulations, Georgiou smiles and says, "Oh, yes, Spock. When last I saw her, she was thriving."
A weight seems to be taken off of Spock's demeanor. He briefly regards the former emperor, and simply says, "Thank you.", and turns around and leaves.
That's it. Not a whole story, not even a whole scene, just a snippet. Something I would have loved to have seen if this had ever gone to series.
ETA: GOD DAMN IT, AM I GOING TO WRITE A SECTION 31 FANFICTION?
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Hell, this is better written than anything in the actual movie and probably should have been the epilogue.
Would make an excellent Short Trek.I now have headcanon of a scene where Georgiou is on the Barram thinking that she's alone and turns around and sees now-Ambassador Spock, played by Ethan Peck of course.
Given the personal connections between the two, Georgiou is momentarily taken back, something very rare for the former Emperor, but Spock only asks one thing-- "Just tell me, is she well?"
Regaining her composure and softening, realizing that Spock needed the closure without violating any temporal regulations, Georgiou smiles and says, "Oh, yes, Spock. When last I saw her, she was thriving."
A weight seems to be taken off of Spock's demeanor. He briefly regards the former emperor, and simply says, "Thank you.", and turns around and leaves.
That's it. Not a whole story, not even a whole scene, just a snippet. Something I would have loved to have seen if this had ever gone to series.
ETA: GOD DAMN IT, AM I GOING TO WRITE A SECTION 31 FANFICTION?
Interview: Alex Kurtzman On The Evolution Of ‘Section 31’ And What He Has Learned Running Star Trek TV
The executive producer talked about how it's "important is to try new things."
trekmovie.com
Why is my brain doing this to me? Suppose Spock doesn't turn around and leave...?ETA: GOD DAMN IT, AM I GOING TO WRITE A SECTION 31 FANFICTION?
"That's not why you're here is it?"
"Not entirely. But it does concern her."
You see, Spock was recently contacted by the elderly Queen Po of Xahia, whose planet's sensors detected Cardassian activity at the site where the portal that Discovery traveled to the future is located, where they discovered... Something.
Knowing that all the information on those events was scrubbed from Starfleet records, and fearing what the Cardassians might have found there, Spock came to the only other living person who had first hand knowledge of the event, and what might be at stake.
Garrett be like,"You're asking us to go on an unauthorized mission into Cardassian space?"
Spock replies,"No, I am informing you of a potential threat in Cardassian space." (I could connect this to the disagreements that Spock and Sarek had over the Cardassians that were alluded to by Perrin in Unification.)
Alok be like, "how did you get into Georgiou's office without any of us knowing?" Spock be like"I am Vulcan." Alok seems to want to protest, but Georgiou just shrugs. Good enough for her.
The actual mission and MacGuffin are TBD, but I'm seeing a heist sending Quasi and Wisp in to infiltrate.
But the real meat of the story would be the conversations between Spock and Georgiou about the nature of Section 31 and if whether or not what they do is justified. Spock will cite his personal experience with the organization, they did try to kill him after all, as well as his objections to their methods in general.
The money of the scene, indeed the entire story, would be Georgiou's response. "Don't get so high and mighty with me, Spock. I've read your file. Where were your almighty ethics when you violated poor Lieutenant Valeris? She never fully recovered from your assault."
S: "That was... regrettable."
G: "But necessary."
S: (pause) "Indeed."
G: "I'm actually proud of you Spock. I didn't think you had that kind of steel in you. Surely a failing of your human half."
S: "That is the difference between you and I, Emperor. I regret the necessary evil while you take pride in it."
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You had Starfleet Admiral Ross fully cooperating with Sloan and Section 31 is the DS9 episode Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges to the point Dr. Bashir confronts him about it when the whole incident is over and Ross admits and says basically "Yeah, so what?" - and further Ross is even aware a Romulan is working for them too <--- It comes out the the conversation between them.
So yeah, Starfleet is fully aware o Section 31 in the 24th century but likes to maintain plausible deniability. Fans have to stop taking everything said as gospel and out of context.
Example:
There are plenty of fans who will tell you: "Vucans don't/can't lie..." because of this exchange in TOS S3 The Enterprise Incident:
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Uh huh - except when you take the whole episode in context, Spock is LYING when he gives that reply.
Plus, Spock lied his ass off to kidnap Captain Pike in TOS S1 The Menagerie
And even if you go with "That's his human half..."
Sarek lied to Amanda and Kirk in TOS S2 Journey To Babel in an attempt to conceal his medical condition.
So yeah - Sloan tells EVERYONE he meets when caught: "Oh yeah, Section 31? No one in the Federation knows ANYTHING ABOUT IT...TRUST ME!"
One of my favorite exchanges regarding the myth of Vulcans not lying was in a Voyager episode where Chakotay calls out on Tuvok's BS.
CHAKOTAY: Can I ask you to be honest with me, Lieutenant?
TUVOK: As a Vulcan, I am at all times honest, Commander.
CHAKOTAY: That's not exactly true. You lied to me when you passed yourself off as a Maquis to get on my crew.
TUVOK: I was honest to my own convictions within the defined parameters of my mission.
CHAKOTAY: You damned Vulcans and your defined parameters. That's easy for you.
TUVOK: On the contrary. The demands on a Vulcan's character are extraordinarily difficult. Do not mistake composure for ease.
CHAKOTAY: Can I ask you to be honest with me, Lieutenant?
TUVOK: As a Vulcan, I am at all times honest, Commander.
CHAKOTAY: That's not exactly true. You lied to me when you passed yourself off as a Maquis to get on my crew.
TUVOK: I was honest to my own convictions within the defined parameters of my mission.
CHAKOTAY: You damned Vulcans and your defined parameters. That's easy for you.
TUVOK: On the contrary. The demands on a Vulcan's character are extraordinarily difficult. Do not mistake composure for ease.
I actually need to retract this slightly, not because I want to add any negative talk about Bernd, but because I need to acknowledge that Jorg Hillebrand (who also contributes to EAS) is seriously a treasure, and his posts this week have been a nice little island of positivity (or at worst neutrality) as he's provided the same level of hyper-specific analysis of background details in Section 31 that he does for the rest of Trek. Seriously, if you have social media he's one of the best Trek accounts to follow.
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Oh, I remember white male fragility being rampant when Lt. Connolly bit the dust hahahaha
Without ever having interacted with him, that does sound like a perfectly reasonable position to take. I’ve certainly enjoyed the ideas or backgrounds of some settings more than (some of) the actual stories set there.
Maybe they invented sun-contacts.
I now have headcanon of a scene where Georgiou is on the Barram thinking that she's alone and turns around and sees now-Ambassador Spock, played by Ethan Peck of course.
Given the personal connections between the two, Georgiou is momentarily taken back, something very rare for the former Emperor, but Spock only asks one thing-- "Just tell me, is she well?"
Regaining her composure and softening, realizing that Spock needed the closure without violating any temporal regulations, Georgiou smiles and says, "Oh, yes, Spock. When last I saw her, she was thriving."
A weight seems to be taken off of Spock's demeanor. He briefly regards the former emperor, and simply says, "Thank you.", and turns around and leaves.
That's it. Not a whole story, not even a whole scene, just a snippet. Something I would have loved to have seen if this had ever gone to series.
ETA: GOD DAMN IT, AM I GOING TO WRITE A SECTION 31 FANFICTION?
That’s quite good, actually.
I have a hypothetical question: how long does it have to stay in the Paramount+ Top 10 before it isn't a flop?
Nah, piling on all that plot smothers a beautiful moment that’s a story (and probably a better one) by itself.
Tim Russ was/is so great.
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