Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[NCC-73515]

Picard said they have no laws to judge the Douwd for telepathic genocide. But it's not about legal judgment, it's about her being both the hero of this movie and a snarky genocidal people eater, no matter how which laws would apply
I'll give them the benefit of a Douwd and hope they do address it, and that she realizes her flaws and expresses remorse etc. and ends up doing something really good. Perhaps she brings down 31 so it's officially erased from all records to lead into the version from DS9.

 

[BillJ]

Carl is a physical representation of the Guardian of Forever.

That's right. I tried to block that stupidity out of my mind.

My problem with the Emperor is how she was written and (sorry Michelle) she was performed. Both left little room for redemption. Far too arch and camp on the one hand and saddled with despicable acts on the other. The pivot to "mother figure/advisor/mentor" to Michael just didn't work. She knows this person and has witnessed her cruelty. I don't see her love for Prime Georgiou blinding her to that.

Georgiou should've stayed in the 32nd century, did something badass, like take over the Klingon Empire and been an ongoing antagonist for the Federation.

 

[BillJ]

What's the standard and who arbitrates it?

Whatever yard you show up in, that is who arbitrates it.

 

[fireproof78]

Whatever yard you show up in, that is who arbitrates it.

So, I can have weed in Washington, smoke it, have no weed on me, go to Idaho and be arrested for smoking weed because it's illegal there.

That's how the standard is coming across right now. Doesn't matter where Georgiou did it the yard owner must punish her.

 

[BillJ]

So, I can have weed in Washington, smoke it, have no weed on me, go to Idaho and be arrested for smoking weed because it's illegal there.

That's how the standard is coming across right now. Doesn't matter where Georgiou did it the yard owner must punish her.

We aren't talking about weed, that is intellectually dishonest. We're talking about genocide. The mass extermination of people. On this world, if someone is committing genocide, I have no issue with going in and plucking that fucker out of their castle and bringing them to the US to be tried. There are crimes that are bigger than jurisdiction.

 

[fireproof78]

We aren't talking about weed, that is intellectually dishonest. We're talking about genocide. The mass extermination of people. On this world, if someone is committing genocide, I have no issue with going in and plucking that fucker out of their castle and bringing them to the US to be tried. There are crimes that are bigger than jurisdiction.

It's not intellectually dishonest.

Rules are rules. Yes, I'm that black and white. Ask my wife how judgemental I can be. Jury duty will be fun.

 

[BillJ]

It's not intellectually dishonest.

It really is, because you're comparing the imbibing of a banned substance with the extermination of large groups of people.

 

[fireproof78]

It really is, because you're comparing the imbibing of a banned substance with the extermination of large groups of people.

No, I'm taking your logic of jurisdiction doesn't matter to it's logical conclusion.

That she landed in our universe so our laws apply.

 

[BillJ]

No, I'm taking your logic of jurisdiction doesn't matter to it's logical conclusion.

That she landed in our universe so our laws apply.

At the end of the day, you do you. I truly hope that everyone enjoys Section 31. I've decided to sit this one out.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think the reason I don't feel as strongly about Georgiou is because if she'd shown weakness she would've ended up dead and someone else would've done all the same horrible things instead. If she'd quit, same deal, if she'd never been born, same deal. She believed in the philosophy of her society and was effective at achieving its objectives, but she was just a cog in a machine that had existed for over a hundred years before her. It took someone from another universe coming in with a new perspective before even SPOCK considered the possibility of not genociding the Halkans.

So personally I consider her arrival in the Prime Universe to be a kind of rebirth. What she does afterwards is more important than what she did before, because now she truly understands that there's a different way to live and she has the freedom to make real choices.

I'm still not interested in Section 31 though!

 

[BillJ]

What she does afterwards is more important than what she did before...

I'm sure that is a comfort to the millions (billions?) of people that she slaughtered.

 

[fireproof78]

So personally I consider her arrival in the Prime Universe to be a kind of rebirth. What she does afterwards is more important than what she did before, because now she truly understands that there's a different way to live and she has the freedom to make real choices.

This.


She finally has freedom of choice to live a better way.

Otherwise, Kirk and company would have been better off destroying the ISS ENTERPRISE for the Empire's crimes.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm sure that is a comfort to the millions (billions?) of people that she slaughtered.

Emperor Georgiou's flagship exploded killing everyone on board and she was never seen again, so as far as the Mirror Universe is concerned, she's dead. It's a win for everyone!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Emperor Georgiou's flagship exploded killing everyone on board and she was never seen again, so as far as the Mirror Universe is concerned, she's dead. It's a win for everyone!

The next Emperor was probably worse.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The next Emperor was probably worse.

They'd presumably be the one in charge during Mirror, Mirror, so yeah they didn't seem great.

 

[BillJ]

They'd presumably be the one in charge during Mirror, Mirror, so yeah they didn't seem great.

We really don't know, as we're given no real information. For all we know, this Emperor might have been trying to institute reforms before Kirk came along and lobbed a hand grenade on the proceedings.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They'd presumably be the one in charge during Mirror, Mirror, so yeah they didn't seem great.

I've head canonned them as Emperor Janice Lester.

 

[BillJ]

I've head canonned them as Emperor Janice Lester.

She was probably a starship captain. The crazy worked better.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She was probably a starship captain. The crazy worked better.

If Georgiou can be Emperor, so can Janice. Crazy is a job requirement.

 

[HotRod]

So a Chameloid, huh? That's neat...