Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[Dukhat]

That’s because they spent too much time focusing on Michael Burnham to the detriment of all the other bridge crew minus Saru and Stamets. That’s not the same dynamic at all in SNW. Every character has been given good development (even guest characters like T’Pring) except Ortegas.

 

[Tuskin38]

A lot of people on here complain when Ortegas doesn’t get focus, so I assume they’re fans of her

 

[Dukhat]

You do realize that the TrekBBS doesn’t remotely represent the Star Trek fanbase in its entirety? I’d say we make up about 1% of the fandom.

Also: I too would like Ortegas to have better (or for that matter, any) focus. That doesn’t mean she’s my favorite character.

 

[Daedalus]

Just wanted to say that I am really impressed by Rob Kazinsky. Maybe he should write for Star Trek?

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(Just in case anyone was wondering about the "Star Trek is dying" part, it's a quote from Olatunde Osunsanmi and Alex Kurtzman that Rob references.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

They should give her something to do then.

They give her a lot to do. She pretty much pops in every scene she’s in.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, they’re not going to care about that. Just like they didn’t care that Uhura wasn’t assigned to the ship/part of the bridge crew in WNMHGB, which takes place after SNW.

All we know is Uhura wasn’t on duty in WNMHGB.

 

[Turtletrekker]

All we know is Uhura wasn’t on duty in WNMHGB.

This. Just like she wasn't on duty during The Doomsday Machine.

 

[James Cole]

(Just in case anyone was wondering about the "Star Trek is dying" part, it's a quote from Olatunde Osunsanmi and Alex Kurtzman that Rob references.)

Some rough YouTube Transcript quotes:

whilst we had essentially two episodes
of a strange New World's budget to make
an entire movie starring Michelle yo and
it had to be limited to 95 minutes and
59 seconds not a second longer um it's
an unfair comparison

SNW has around an $8-10 million per episode budget. Yeoh's fee of $12 million is essentially confirmed on background. Now does he mean $20ish million after her fee?

And the 95 minute limit seems off for streaming. It is some metric to maximize the watch minutes?

people would have a extreme reaction to
it when it came
out am I
disappointed at the
cruelty yes because we're meant to be
better than that in the Star Trek fandom
we're not Star Wars we're not any of the
other fandoms out there we're meant to
be kinder we're not meant to be going
online trying to hurt people's feelings
like that's the whole point I'm a firm
believer that if you love Star Trek you
must be a good person and if you're a
good person you you don't do things like
that so is it disappointing to see some
of that reaction of course it is is it
surprising no but the thing that I was
trying to get ahead of and I said it
over and over and over again throughout
the Press tour is my favorite line which
I've said many times Star Trek isn't for
you it's for
everyone and that means that if you
don't like this Star Trek that's fine
don't like it don't ruin it for
everybody else

I really don't think people have been cruel. More regretting the situation.

going this isn't going to be what people
want and then then I spoke to Alex and I
spoke to Tay and they explained to me
that Star Trek is dying and I don't know
if people know that but if you you know
I was talking about Star Trek at my gym
uh where I fight you know I'm boxer and
I fight with a lot of you know kids I
don't fight them but you train with none
of them knew what Star Trek was can you
imagine that I mean just conceive of
that for a second that they had never
they were I would say Star Trek and they
were like Star Wars I like no Star Trek
and they were like um I think I've heard
of it now that was pretty upsetting for
me um Star Trek's fan base has never
been enormous it's always been uh small
and Incredibly passionate group it's
never compared to the Harry Potter fan
groups or the Star Wars fan groups it's
never had hundreds of millions of fans
around the world it's always been a
dedicated group and that dedicated group
is aging and we are really we are going
to lose Star Trek if we don't bring in
new fans new eyes and new ways of
getting people to love the things that
we love you know even if you try and get
someone to watch TNG it it's I mean you
know the first two seasons the
production values were so much lower
than from the third season onwards it's
really dated in lots of ways um you know
even like trying to get kids to watch
the original series it's just not going
to happen like so how do we enlarge the
fandom how do we get people to come and
be part of this how do we keep Star Trek
alive and they explained to me very very
clearly and once I'd heard this I was
100% behind this movie um was you have
to make different flavors of Star Trek
for a different time you have to try and
bring in new people as you that's what
Starfleet Academy is going to be about
that's what section 31's about
this film uh and I'm sorry to say it it
it wasn't made for people that love Star
Trek it was made to make people want to
learn more about Star Trek that was the
idea it was for it to bring in new eyes
new people and then introduce them to
that world and because of that it was
never going to be
the Canon loving
historical Exposition Laden
character-based
kind of thing that was homaging the
history of the Star Trek franchise it
was always going to be lots of action
lots of Glamour lots of loud music lots
of things just to get people to come in
and be like okay what what's a klling on
and then we go look at Discovery then
look at TNG look at this and once I
understood that like how dire and how
hard I mean even the 2009 movies they
barely broke even and they were massive
starring everybody

 

[Daedalus]

Some rough YouTube Transcript quotes:


SNW has around an $8-10 million per episode budget. Yeoh's fee of $12 million is essentially confirmed on background. Now does he mean $20ish million after her fee?

And the 95 minute limit seems off for streaming. It is some metric to maximize the watch minutes?


I really don't think people have been cruel. More regretting the situation.

Well done with the transcribing. I wish he had said how much Jamie Lee Curtis was paid, too.

And no, I don't think people have been that cruel. I could be wrong, however. There just seems to be a wish that it had simply been better.

He mentioned something about a sequel too, implying that's when we'd see the REAL Section 31 and when we'll see them doing proper Section 31 stuff. That's a little irksome.

 

[Firebird]

Yeah, there's a real possibility that most of our main Starfleet cast members, TNG crew excluded, were killed during that whole mess. Chief O'Brien? Killed by his students at Starfleet Academy. Janeway? Murdered by whatever young personnel were on Spacedock. The Paris Family? Killed by they their own daughter. Bashir? Dead. Dax? Dead. Kim? Killed the same day he was finally promoted to Lt.

Thanks Terry! What a bright future you've created.

Their blood shall paint the way to Terry’s ascendancy!

And then he’ll come up with more fanwanky reasons how none of these deaths ever happened because they were stronger than the Borg youth mind virus.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nah, no way Kim dies as a lieutenant. He dies one day away from promotion.

 

[James Cole]

Well done with the transcribing. I wish he had said how much Jamie Lee Curtis was paid, too.

YouTube Transcript - read YouTube videos

is highly recommended, especially for multi hour live streams that you suspect have 5-10 minutes of stuff you'd actually be interested in (give it a few hours though... it should work if the CC option isn't greyed out on a video). It runs off the auto caption function.

 

[FredH]

The YouTube transcription earlier indicates in passing that the S31 movie was for people who want to learn about Star Trek — which is unfortunate, since it didn’t bother showing much of either the Star-Trek-in-particular universe (other than “We’re in space! There are secret agents!”) or what Trek is about (What, secret agents of different cultures and species can all work together, especially if they all talk like Earth people? Yay).

But never mind even Trek — the surface faults have all been gone over in detail, but I think the deeper problem is that it’s called Section 31, and features people working for Section 31, but there’s next to no consideration of what Section 31 is. In this movie, Section 31 doesn’t do anything morally ambiguous. It fights bad guys. There’s no reason for it to even BE Section 31, as opposed to just Starfleet agents, or even hired freelancers.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

Just wanted to say that I am really impressed by Rob Kazinsky. Maybe he should write for Star Trek?

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(Just in case anyone was wondering about the "Star Trek is dying" part, it's a quote from Olatunde Osunsanmi and Alex Kurtzman that Rob references.)

Came here to see if anyone had posted it yet. Great interview. Kazinsky is a gem. He may be a little too pure for this world.

I really don't think people have been cruel. More regretting the situation.

I'm going to venture he's run into more of the cruelness than you have.

 

[The Wormhole]

Nah, no way Kim dies as a lieutenant. He dies one day away from promotion.

At the age of 98.

 

[Daedalus]

Came here to see if anyone had posted it yet. Great interview. Kazinsky is a gem. He may be a little too pure for this world.

I'm going to venture he's run into more of the cruelness than you have.

Kazinsky has surprised me with his knowledge of Trek in other interviews.

I don't know if anyone has ever seen Eastenders, but I always took him to be the sort of bloke who would beat me up for liking Star Trek. It just means he's a good actor.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The guy seems to really know his stuff, as much as any of us, but man I'm not keen on the 'Section 31 has its fingerprints on every event in Star Trek's history' idea. I find it really damaging to Trek's whole ideology. 'You can only live as a saint if you're ignorant of the crimes that are routinely committed to get you your paradise' is not the message anyone should be taking away from Trek.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm not keen on the 'Section 31 has its fingerprints on every event in Star Trek's history' idea.

You'd hate the novels. Section 31 is everywhere to the point of having origins that date all the way back to the 20th century US military. Meanwhile, within the 23rd and 24th centuries:
-They were the ones who ordered Kirk to obtain the Romulan cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident.
-They discovered the Omega molecule, learned of its destructive potential and enacted the Omega Directive, mentioned in the Voyager episode of the same name, which also ties in with the Romulan cloaking device from The Enterprise Incident.
-They were behind the conspiracy in TUC and Admiral Cartwright is a member of Section 31.
-They were behind the incident aboard the Pegasus.*
-Admiral Dougherty was enacting their agenda to work with the Son'a and relocate the Ba'ku in Insurrection.

*TATV actually did make that one canon.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Well, the novels are their own thing. They can play around with ideas without worrying about how it affects the larger franchise.

But yeah, I would really hate those stories.

 

[I am not Spock]

Bryce and Rhys?

Wouldn't have minded but they were not the focus.

Bryce and Rhys were like the Travis Mayweather of Disco. Except even poor Travis got a few focus episodes