Spoilers Secret Invasion grade and discussion

[Anwar]

I assume most people on here have seen Picard Season 3, which covers the same themes. I was the first to say Picard had its problems but it does the same themes Secret Invasion is covering much, much better. Secret Invasion is wasted potential so far, and we need look no further than what Trek did on a presumably smaller budget to prove that.

Eh, Picard Season 3 really went too far with the fanservice. It got really silly by the end.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I am predicting Talos survives

Rhodey might get free to kill his Skrull (especially since he needs to star in Armor Wars)

I wonder if someone kills themself that it kills their impersonator... like it did in the 2nd season premiere of War of the Worlds TV show from 1989

We might even have Fury as a Skrull...but so deep that he forgot he was a Skrull

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Penultimate episode was good.
Got Fury where he needed to be.
Not sure where the finale can go but a big fisticuffs, but hoping for more.

I don’t expect any last minute Avenger action, but the show could subvert that expectation.

What I do expect is G’iah taking up the mantle of her father and defying Gravik, exposing him as the monster he is and becoming the breaker of chai… the new General.
Most Skrull will switch sides.

The collected DNA of the Avengers in a single vial.
Hard to suspend disbelief here that this can act as super juice.
But leave it to Fury to even think of this as the first thing after the Battle of Endgame.

 

[Nightowl1701]

So, what... Fury's going to zap himself with the Harvest? Take on Gravik with the combined power of all the Avengers? That's the only way I can see this fight being anything but one-sided and short. G'iah doesn't seem to have been invited to the party, and if she had any other power than Extremis she'd have used it in the house raid.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Not all Avenger powers are related to DNA.
We can take out the iron man suits for sure.
Asgardian DNA? Maybe, but Thor’s powers come from magic, too.
Hulk/Super Soldier? Probably
Pure Magic? No
Infinity Stone powers? Probably not?
Archery Skills? Big no.
Spider-Sense and wall climbing? Yes
Black Panther powers? No
Minituarize? Quantum physics, so no.
Who does that leave?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Not sure how I feel about Fury secretly collecting the DNA of all of the Avengers, including Carol. Doesn't make much sense that he would do that. What was his motivation at the time for doing such a thing? It just feels like it simply happened for the sake of the plot far into the future in Secret Invasion.

For all of the show's missteps (and I hate to say that there are more than a few at this point), I have loved every instance, every breathe, every tiny little thing that involves Olivia Colman. She's so absolutely brilliantly what she does and the show has used her perfectly, pairing her cheerful wit to mask her unhesitating ruthlessness. I only wish we had gotten more of her (she didn't even appear in the last episode!).

We were primed for lots of shocks in this series so I should've seen this coming, but it was a lovely surprise to see O-T Fagbenle's Rick Mason quietly pop up to help extract Fury out of Britain and into Finland.

Lastly, I loved the quick little Eddie Izzard reference Farnsworth made while confronting Rosa and Nigel Dalton!

 

[Nightowl1701]

Not sure how I feel about Fury secretly collecting the DNA of all of the Avengers, including Carol. Doesn't make much sense that he would do that. What was his motivation at the time for doing such a thing? It just feels like it simply happened for the sake of the plot far into the future in Secret Invasion.
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1) Preventing anyone from doing what Gravik’s trying to do now, or what accidentally happened to Jen/what that rich jerk was doing in She-Hulk.
2) Cloning/Life Model Decoy. Though that would truly be a last-ditch option, and if things have gotten to such an extreme that it would be necessary it’s probably too late to find a fast-growing clone vat anyway.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Except the implication is Fury has been doing the collecting for years and years. Why would he do that then is my point.

 

[Anwar]

Except the implication is Fury has been doing the collecting for years and years. Why would he do that then is my point.

Same reason Batman collects data on the Justice League, he's just paranoid.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Same reason Batman collects data on the Justice League, he's just paranoid.

Fair enough. I guess I can live with that.

 

[David cgc]

2) Cloning/Life Model Decoy. Though that would truly be a last-ditch option, and if things have gotten to such an extreme that it would be necessary it’s probably too late to find a fast-growing clone vat anyway.

If the MCU wasn't so horny for pretending AOS never happened, I'd say it was a continuation or revival of the TAHITI project, developing a treatment to revive any Avengers who were killed (which would've become a going concern at that point).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Except the implication is Fury has been doing the collecting for years and years. Why would he do that then is my point.

Thanos was the only one managing to draw blood from even the strongest of them.
So he had to be opportunistic at that battle site if he needed their DNA for whatever reason.
“All this for a single drop of blood” indeed.

 

[Tuskin38]

The actor who played Dalton voices the male sith warrior player class in SWTOR

 

[Saul]

Who waits around at home waiting for a squad to turn up and kill them without even preparing anything? Why go for the weapons the moment bullets start firing?

Wonder if the Harvest will play into something further on down the line, such as Thunderbolts.

 

[The Wormhole]

Olivia Colman continues to be absolutely hilarious.

 

[FPAlpha]

Except the implication is Fury has been doing the collecting for years and years. Why would he do that then is my point.

Because Fury is a hoarder of information and everything else much like every government and their intelligence services, you never know when you might need something in the future.

The biggest reason as Nightowl said is to prevent anyone else from doing that. In the MCU it seems any halfway powerful nation is able to reverse engineer DNA as well as some private organizations ( see Falcon & Winter Soldier). They all would do anything to get their hands on Avengers DNA, especially Cap, Thor, Hulk and everybody else whose genes are the source of their power - it would open the doors for a new arms race only this time it's not nuclear weapons but Supersoldiers.

The second reason might just be a contingency plan by Fury to be able to "produce" Superheroes should anything close to Thanos ever happen again.

Nice episode, Olivia Colman is just a delight. She's basically playing herself. Watch interviews and Late Night chat shows with her, she's exactly like her character in real life just without the cold efficiency and ruthlessness of a leader of an intelligence service. I hope we see more of her in the MCU, she's easily the best new character in the show.

 

[Dee1891]

I don’t expect any last minute Avenger action, but the show could subvert that expectation.

I don't see the need of any last-minute Avengers action (if they still exist) at this point, like some deus ex machina. That would lower my opinion of this series. It's just too late. This series reminds me of "Captain America: Civil War", but not in a good way. It has a plot that should have been an Avengers film or a two-part Avengers film, just as the 2016 movie had should have been an Avengers film, instead of a Captain America one. But inserting the Avengers at this point of "Secret Invasion" is just a waste of time to me. And bad timing.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Not all Avenger powers are related to DNA.
We can take out the iron man suits for sure.
Asgardian DNA? Maybe, but Thor’s powers come from magic, too.
Hulk/Super Soldier? Probably
Pure Magic? No
Infinity Stone powers? Probably not?
Archery Skills? Big no.
Spider-Sense and wall climbing? Yes
Black Panther powers? No
Minituarize? Quantum physics, so no.
Who does that leave?

I think you'll have to reconsider that Infinity Stone power ruling, as there's absolutely no reason for the episode to name drop Captain Marvel like it did unless it really is possible for her power to be transferred via the Harvest.

Also, Wanda's backstory from WandaVision very much calls into question the idea that magic can't possibly be genetic, too.

As for the rest, you left out the aliens: Gamora, Drax, and Mantis - and Rocket, I guess (but only for his superbrain) as well as Nebula (but not her cyberimplants).

 

[Starkers]

Coleman continues to be the best thing about this show. I'm hoping she gets super powers

I liked Fury's comments about Brixton and West Indian immigrants into London, that was nicely done.

Everyone turning on Gravik seemed to come a little out of nowhere, he's turning into a feeble villain because he just seems increasingly unhinged by this point.

Despite the stakes it continues to be very low key and I can't believe there's only one episode left. With the talent at their disposal Disney really should be doing better than this.

I have one prediction. I think the President heard every word Fury said to him and hence won't trust Rhodes

 

[Nerys Myk]

Coleman continues to be the best thing about this show. I'm hoping she gets super powers

That might require a blood transfusion from an android Human Torch.