Season 7 too Fluffy?

[Ensign Seven]

Voyager better than Deep Space Nine. Why I think this might be my reaction to this.

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Jason

This is how you want to discard another person's opinion? Well...

VOY is still the best for me (for ME PERSONALLY), especially because of the family feeling, which neither TNG nor DN9 gives me. I often feel lonely or depressed; VOY cheers me up. Don't get me wrong, I like all 3 of them, but VOY is most comforting.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It's almost as if not every Vulcan happens to be serene and logically infallible robots... almost as if they're behaving like... flesh and blood people???

There is a difference between being infallible and not being a pathetic pompous man child. A Vulcan or any person that dumb would not only fail hard in Starfleet, they should be ostracized by the Vulcan community.

That Vulcan was not behaving like a flesh and blood person, he was acting like the bully character in a Nickelodeon sitcom.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

he was acting like the bully character in a Nickelodeon sitcom.

Sorry, but Finnegan was a lot worse.

 

[Jayson1]

This is how you want to discard another person's opinion? Well...

VOY is still the best for me (for ME PERSONALLY), especially because of the family feeling, which neither TNG nor DN9 gives me. I often feel lonely or depressed; VOY cheers me up. Don't get me wrong, I like all 3 of them, but VOY is most comforting.

I was just teasing. It doesn't doesn't bother me people like stuff better or anything like that. For me all Trek is kind of comfort food for me. If I had to pick one Trek over all of them I think it would be for me, TNG. It's the show that made me a Trek fan so it has some extra nostiga to it that even TOS and DS9 which are my favorite of the shows, doesn't have as much.

Jason

 

[diankra]

This is how you want to discard another person's opinion? Well...

VOY is still the best for me (for ME PERSONALLY), especially because of the family feeling, which neither TNG nor DN9 gives me. I often feel lonely or depressed; VOY cheers me up. Don't get me wrong, I like all 3 of them, but VOY is most comforting.

Voyager is, for me, the weakest of the first four, mainly due to its wasting the potential of the stranded star ship struggling to get by, but I can understand liking the family feel: that is something it should have done more, if anything.
TOS, 300 crew rotating out. TNG, 1000 people rotating out. Ds9, 10,000 people, mostly civilians going in and out.
Voyager, 150 people stuck together for up to 70 years. Janeway should try to make them an extended family.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

There is a difference between being infallible and not being a pathetic pompous man child. A Vulcan or any person that dumb would not only fail hard in Starfleet, they should be ostracized by the Vulcan community.

That Vulcan was not behaving like a flesh and blood person, he was acting like the bully character in a Nickelodeon sitcom.

So, basically acting like any other Starfleet antagonistic character we’ve seen since TOS. Only thing they fell short of was being promoted to admiral and committing atrocities.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I don't get how anyone can claim that DS9 had less of a family feeling than the other Trek series. Sisko invited his crew to his quarters on multiple occasions to cook for them. I don't see any of the captains going to such lengths.

 

[Arpy]

I found it fluffy, yeah. If they’d shortened the season by a handful of episodes maybe it’d have worked better, but it just seemed too stretched for the ho-hum unfurling of WWII In Space!

 

[Jayson1]

I don't get how anyone can claim that DS9 had less of a family feeling than the other Trek series. Sisko invited his crew to his quarters on multiple occasions to cook for them. I don't see any of the captains going to such lengths.

Yes but he never invited Quark over. Quark was never invited to any holodeck adventures. Sometimes I felt bad for Quark for not always being treated like part of the family.

Jason

 

[Tosk]

Yes but he never invited Quark over. Quark was never invited to any holodeck adventures. Sometimes I felt bad for Quark for not always being treated like part of the family.

If he wanted an invite to Sisko's place, maybe he should have done less lying, cheating, stealing, conniving, or putting the crews lives at risk?

...he should be grateful that even Jadzia treated him so well, she nearly died thanks to him.

Quark was never invited to any holodeck adventures.

Quark went to at least one baseball game in the holosuite with Sisko.

 

[Jayson1]

If he wanted an invite to Sisko's place, maybe he should have done less lying, cheating, stealing, conniving, or putting the crews lives at risk?

...he should be grateful that even Jadzia treated him so well, she nearly died thanks to him.

Quark went to at least one baseball game in the holosuite with Sisko.

Quark kind of invited himself into the baseball game. As for the crimes and putting people in danger. Well nobody is perfect.

Jason

 

[Tosk]

Quark kind of invited himself into the baseball game.

I don't mean the game versus the Vulcans, I mean that when Sisko is talking to them all he says, "Every one of you here today has seen at least one baseball game with me in a holosuite."

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Yes but he never invited Quark over. Quark was never invited to any holodeck adventures. Sometimes I felt bad for Quark for not always being treated like part of the family.

Jason

Quark was never part of the crew, if I remember correctly.

OTOH, what other captain organized such a casual, genial gathering?

 

[Jayson1]

I don't mean the game versus the Vulcans, I mean that when Sisko is talking to them all he says, "Every one of you here today has seen at least one baseball game with me in a holosuite."

That's true. Of course it could have just been Quark bringing in hotdogs for him and Jake to eat. Somehow I just can't see Sisko just hanging out with Quark, shooting the breeze. I do think the crew grew over the years to like him besides just Dax and Odo of course even if he would never admit it. Except for Worf who hated him you actually started to see less mean spirited stuff like calling him a troll. More of a eye roll type of reaction when Quark would do a Quark thing. For whatever reason though he still sort of was not fully accepted in the inner circle.

Jason

 

[Kate Nichols]

I believe that when Rom left the bar for a mechanical job and Nog was accepted into Starfleet, the feelings of the crew regarding Ferengi started to change. Even as to Quark. I mean, Quark loved and admired Jadzia, thinking she was too good to repair his drink replica machine one day. Did Quark even want the type of woman who would be at hone to clean, cook, never express herself. I mean, he liked the type of women Julian liked.

 

[Jayson1]

I believe that when Rom left the bar for a mechanical job and Nog was accepted into Starfleet, the feelings of the crew regarding Ferengi started to change. Even as to Quark. I mean, Quark loved and admired Jadzia, thinking she was too good to repair his drink replica machine one day. Did Quark even want the type of woman who would be at hone to clean, cook, never express herself. I mean, he liked the type of women Julian liked.

I see Quark kind of like a imigrant who has come to America. He loves his home country and values it's traditions and even follows them to a certain degree especially when it comes to making profit but he also wants more out of life and does like interacting with different people and different cultures. He has called himself a people person before and I believe it. You can even apply that logic to Rom and Nog. Nog for example as far as I know has never even lived on Ferenginar. His expose to Ferengi culture comes from what he learned from Quark and Rom and maybe the occasional visit back to see his grandma. It makes perfect sense he would be the one to embrace something like Starfleet.


Jason

 

[Tosk]

Nog for example as far as I know has never even lived on Ferenginar.

He sure sounds like he grew up there to me...

"...the Great Material Continuum. It's the force that binds the universe together. On Ferenginar, we learn about the Continuum while we still have our first set of ears."

 

[Jayson1]

He sure sounds like he grew up there to me...

"...the Great Material Continuum. It's the force that binds the universe together. On Ferenginar, we learn about the Continuum while we still have our first set of ears."

You wouldn't need to live their to know the traditions and stuff like the Rules of Aquistion or social norms. He would learn that stuff from his father and Uncle and maybe visits to see his Grandma or holdeck recreations. You don't have to live somewhere to know things about it. Maybe Nog doesn't fully understand the context of it all or have the same attachment that the rest of his family does since they did use to live their but you can still learn and appreciate a place on some level.


Jason

 

[Tosk]

No offense, but I'll side with the implication from Nog himself over your suppositions.

According to MemAlpha, Nog was born in 2353, and Rom did not leave Ferenginar until 2361.

 

[kkt]

I believe that when Rom left the bar for a mechanical job and Nog was accepted into Starfleet, the feelings of the crew regarding Ferengi started to change. Even as to Quark. I mean, Quark loved and admired Jadzia, thinking she was too good to repair his drink replica machine one day. Did Quark even want the type of woman who would be at hone to clean, cook, never express herself. I mean, he liked the type of women Julian liked.

Kind of a cheap shot against Julian. You're thinking of "If Wishes Were Horses" and the not very bright but very submissive fantasy Jadzia? Everyone has fantasies that they know wouldn't work out well in real life, and that was one of Julian's. And Julian knew that. If anything, from how long Julian pined for the real Jadzia, I conclude that he's attracted to strong, smart women who aren't going to bow to anyone.