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[eschaton]

My preferred way of dealing with the 32nd century remains Star Trek: Left Behind.

Elder races in the Trekverse never seem to stick around for long. They die out or become some sort of non-coporeal beings. So just have the majority of the Federation population ascend to a higher plane of existence and leave a number of weird magic-tech artifacts the survivors can barely fathom.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Transformative evolution doesn't occur in a single millennium.

 

[Tuskin38]

Errr... the San Francisco bridge with the Federation headquarter in the background. Not sure, but the shots seemed identical to one from DIS.

the shot is the same, but they added a bunch of new buildings to it.

someone posted this comparison over in the future of Trek subforum, but I don’t remember who, sorry.

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[Ronald Held]

I suppose a galactic cataclysm could have reduce each spacfaring society back to the Stone age, in a figurative sense. Maybe few pockets of high tech still exist but not the infrastructure to support it?

 

[eschaton]

Transformative evolution doesn't occur in a single millennium.

It's not realistic, but I think it's in line with how the Trekverse works.

Didn't Beverly date a guy who became an energy being over the course of a single episode?

 

[Rahul]

My preferred way of dealing with the 32nd century remains Star Trek: Left Behind.

Elder races in the Trekverse never seem to stick around for long. They die out or become some sort of non-coporeal beings. So just have the majority of the Federation population ascend to a higher plane of existence and leave a number of weird magic-tech artifacts the survivors can barely fathom.

Wow, I hate that!

I'd much rather sit through a boring "fall of the Federation"-story than that, honestly.

(Nothing personal. I just really hate the concept of "evolving into a higher energy-being". I like energy beings on their own. Just hate all the millions of times Daniel Jackson or another human evolves into one)

 

[Jayson1]

Wow, I hate that!

I'd much rather sit through a boring "fall of the Federation"-story than that, honestly.

(Nothing personal. I just really hate the concept of "evolving into a higher energy-being". I like energy beings on their own. Just hate all the millions of times Daniel Jackson or another human evolves into one)

I don't know. I fell Babylon 5 did a good job with the Vorlons,Shadows and First Ones. You just got to play up the mystery of them even if they serve plot reasons for being used. Jason

 

[ScottJ85]

I don't know. I fell Babylon 5 did a good job with the Vorlons,Shadows and First Ones. You just got to play up the mystery of them even if they serve plot reasons for being used. Jason

The difference is Babylon 5 had a solid idea of how it all worked from the beginning and tried to follow its own rules as best as it could. The rules seem to be different for each Star Trek species, and Stargate never really bothered keeping it consistent.

 

[Rahul]

While I never got into B5, Stargate SG-1 also did it pretty well with the ancient ones.

That being said - I still personally hate the concept. If the story around is told very well, I can begrudgingly tolerate it. Sometimes. But I really don't like that concept on a personal level, at all.

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Which is fascinating, since I'm a big fan of exploring reaching the singularity, and technological trans-humanism. Even though - plot-wise - these two could function literally the same.

I guess that really shows it just depends on which cloth the McGuffin is made off, and why I for example like beaming and holodecks on Star Trek, even though they functionally are magic, but would hate actual magic or the supernatural in Star Trek.

 

[Campe]

My preferred way of dealing with the 32nd century remains Star Trek: Left Behind.

Elder races in the Trekverse never seem to stick around for long. They die out or become some sort of non-coporeal beings. So just have the majority of the Federation population ascend to a higher plane of existence and leave a number of weird magic-tech artifacts the survivors can barely fathom.

The last thing I want is anything remotely close to the Left Behind series in my Star Trek. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Jayson1]

The last thing I want is anything remotely close to the Left Behind series in my Star Trek. Thanks but no thanks.

Who needs Captain Kirk when you can have Captain Kirk Cameron. Now show me that smile again and admit this would be a good idea. Jason

 

[nutshell]

I liked the first two seasons and will watch season 3. Hopefully the writers can make me not care about the copy/paste job by doing their own interesting take.

Such arrogance. You have no idea if it’s a copy/paste job. You haven’t seen a single episode. Maybe they’ll take a classic story you’re familiar with and turn it on it’s head or put their own spin on it, etc. I suggest waiting and watching before passing judgment.

 

[ScottJ85]

Going back to something that was said a few pages back, I feel like in the current political climate, any optimistic Trek story needs to start in a fairly dark place, then show the ways the characters strive to go beyond that.

 

[eschaton]

Wow, I hate that!

I'd much rather sit through a boring "fall of the Federation"-story than that, honestly.

(Nothing personal. I just really hate the concept of "evolving into a higher energy-being". I like energy beings on their own. Just hate all the millions of times Daniel Jackson or another human evolves into one)

My basic thought is:

1. We want to have an optimisic scenario where the Federation "wins" - insofar as technological progress continues and its ideals endure.
2. The needs of the show require that the Future Federation is absent as a major political force in order to give Discovery as a ship some relevance in the future.

When you take both of those together, the logical conclusion is the best future scenario is one where the Federation as a whole just ascended somewhere or left the galaxy en masse or something. That way we can imagine that the Federation culture as a whole got a "happy ending" (or rather a happy continuance into the future) while the crew has a series of crises in front of it. Not to mention a mystery to solve - what exactly happened to everyone. Maybe Earth is just plain gone, with the rest of the solar system there? Maybe there's a completely pristine Earth complete with woolly mammoths? Maybe they meet various "daughter cultures" (luddites, androids, holograms, uploaded deceased people) who got split off and help them put the pieces together? Lots of interesting possibilities.

The biggest thing about this though is it touches on the biggest mystery in all of Trek - where are the elder races? Intelligent life has been evolving for billions of years, and in the current era races are whipping around the galaxy by the thousands. This has never, however, produced some sort of lasting galactic-wide civilization. It doesn't even seem there are races which maintain themselves in technological form for millions - or even tens of thousands - of years. Virtually every race discovered is less advanced, or more or less the same in technological development - unless they're some wacko godlike energy beings.

 

[SG-17]

Are we to infer that this is an alternative future from the one we know of in Voyager and Enterprise where the Federation was thriving and being time police as late as the 31st century?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ We've never seen or heard about the 31st Century before in Trek.

Daniels came from the 27th Century and Braxton came c ok the 29th Century.

 

[SG-17]

^ We've never seen or heard about the 31st Century before in Trek.

Daniels came from the 27th Century and Braxton came c ok the 29th Century.

Daniels comes from the 31st century.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/31st_century

 

[Tuskin38]

^ We've never seen or heard about the 31st Century before in Trek.

Daniels came from the 27th Century and Braxton came c ok the 29th Century.

VOY: Living Witness takes place in the 31st century. Mind you that took place on a single alien world, and we know nothing about the galaxy beyond that.

Also as SG-17 said above. Daniels is from the 31st century.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You're right.

However, Discovery Season 3 is set in the 32nd Century, not the 31st, and we don't know how long things have been the way they are when Burnham and Co. arrive.

 

[Lord Garth]

People stir the pot and try to piss others off intentionally in this forum???

Now you're just being silly.

I wish I could stretch my back as much as some people stretch their posts. It would do me some serious wonders.