Spoilers Season 3 Comic-Con reveals

[DigificWriter]

It continues to surprise and confuse me that TNG's "ultra-utopian future" is still seen as the 'ideal' representation of what Star Trek is somehow "supposed to be" despite the fact that it has been proven to be an 'outlier' and the 'exception rather than the rule' in comparison to both what preceded and followed it from a production standpoint.

DSC has not up to this point done anything that TOS, DS9, VGR, and ENT didn't also do in terms of both narrative and tone, and, based on that trailer, it doesn't appear as if Season 3 will be any different.

 

[Rahul]

I’m as fierce a critic as any of the ugliness Discovery has injected into the franchise, but nothing in the trailer really bothered me. I don’t think Starfleet or the Federation are necessary to a more optimistic view of humanity’s future, and, realistically, I wouldn’t expect either institution to last forever. The Federation could have collapsed because other members came into conflict, because of a new power player or because of any number of other reasons. The important thing, to me, is that our proxy characters still try to do right and do better. Despite what TNG Roddenberry seemed to think, that doesn’t mean we never disagree — just that we do so in a respectful, compassionate and thoughtful way.

Anyway, this looked OK. The distant future didn’t look as cool as I hoped, but it also wasn’t as bleak as I feared. Hopefully they’re saving the awesome stuff for the show itself.

To be honest, I could care less if the Federation itself as an institution is still around 1000 years in the future, or how much it resembles the current one (still only humans in command, Huh?).

I'm just disappointed in the lack of ANY pogress in 1000 years. Anything shown in this trailer could have taken place 50 years after PIC for all that matters. It's junk to think the entire universe, filled with infinite diverse technologically advanced species, would be this stale/regressive for 1000 years.

 

[Jayson1]

But everything doesn't improve in a straight line, nor do things last forever. I always appreciate Star Trek's optimistic outlook, but expecting the Federation to last forever is, well, unrealistic.

I agree but Trek has never been realistic. I actually have no issue with a fall of the Federation story. I just don't trust this writing staff to do it justice. I am guessing that we are going to explore Brexit. Humans and a handful of worlds decide to pull out of the Federation because human,vulcan etc have become less powerfull because the influx of new alien members. Traditonal Federation ideals like maybe the prime directive was eliminated. All sounds interesting but I imagine their take on Brexit will be about as interesting as their take on Trump was via the Klingons. Especially since the whole issue will be filtered through the lense of how does this make Burnham feel. How can we make Brexit be all about Burnham's feelings. The show really needs to become more of ensemble. Jason

 

[Vger23]

well... I just miss those years on that science ficcion was more about ideas and exploration instead of explotions, shootings and fighting

To say that Star Trek is somehow above explosions, shooting, and fighting in favor of big heady "ideas" is to have rose-colored goggles permanently glued to ones head.

Star Trek didn't have an obligation to portray a positive future. And the writers of Superman don't have an obligation to make him a paragon of virtue and morality. And the writers of Sherlock Holmes have no obligation to make him smart, or even an detective at all. And yet... not doing each would be extremely weird.

As far as potential for interesting stories goes - seeing no possibility to tell dramatic stories in an utopian future really says more about the lack of skill of the writer, than anything about the fictional setting itself.

For me, the journey is always much more interesting than simply existing in the gift-wrapped destination. Watching the characters fight for and build what they believe in is far more dramatic and meaningful than simply inheriting it.

It's one of the reasons I prefer DSC so much to TNG.

 

[Vger23]

To be honest, I could care less if the Federation itself as an institution is still around 1000 years in the future, or how much it resembles the current one (still only humans in command, Huh?).

I'm just disappointed in the lack of ANY pogress in 1000 years. Anything shown in this trailer could have taken place 50 years after PIC for all that matters. It's junk to think the entire universe, filled with infinite diverse technologically advanced species, would be this stale/regressive for 1000 years.

1000 years is a drop in the ocean in terms of the age of the universe. The fact that any version of the Federation has survived this long is a miracle of progress. Passions and politics change. People's desires and values change. Hell, it's a society made up of multiple alien species. We can barely keep our current society made up of ONE frigging species together!

There's nothing regressive about it. That's life.

 

[Timo]

Hmm. If the universe is infinitely diverse with advancement, and it finds itself in state S during the Xth century, then obviously this is at least a steady state and more probably an equilibrium, and will last infinitely long. After all, if progress could happen, it already would have!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jadeb]

To be honest, I could care less if the Federation itself as an institution is still around 1000 years in the future, or how much it resembles the current one (still only humans in command, Huh?).

I'm just disappointed in the lack of ANY pogress in 1000 years. Anything shown in this trailer could have taken place 50 years after PIC for all that matters. It's junk to think the entire universe, filled with infinite diverse technologically advanced species, would be this stale/regressive for 1000 years.

I did think the trailer kinda showed the truth of the famous “tighter spandex and smaller tricorders” quip. I was hoping for something mindbending and radically different, but this (in terms of design) felt like it could be set shortly after DS9. That said, maybe they wanted the trailer to be recognizably Trek despite the setting, so they gave us the Federation flag and action Morn.

At least the future has brighter lighting.

 

[Vger23]

I did think the trailer kinda showed the truth of the famous “tighter spandex and smaller tricorders” quip. I was hoping for something mindbending and radically different, but this (in terms of design) felt like it could be set shortly after DS9. That said, maybe they wanted the trailer to be recognizably Trek despite the setting, so they gave us the Federation flag and action Morn.

At least the future has brighter lighting.

Well, everyone would be jumping up and down like despondent apes if things were TOO different, so......

 

[Jayson1]

Well, everyone would be jumping up and down like despondent apes if things were TOO different, so......

Not me. Show me a future where the humanoid form is all but gone. Weird aliens aliens and robotic life is everywhere creating a even deeper level of isolation. Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, everyone would be jumping up and down like despondent apes if things were TOO different, so......

"It's different!!"
"It's not different, enough!"
Often from the same people.

 

[Rahul]

I did think the trailer kinda showed the truth of the famous “tighter spandex and smaller tricorders” quip. I was hoping for something mindbending and radically different, but this (in terms of design) felt like it could be set shortly after DS9. That said, maybe they wanted the trailer to be recognizably Trek despite the setting, so they gave us the Federation flag and action Morn.

At least the future has brighter lighting.

Yeah, I think they tried with these first-handguns and that Andorian holding his big weapon like John Cusack his radio in "Say anything".

But yeah, overall this design was as imaginative and era-appropriate as the designs of the first two seasons. That is - you vac tell it's a show made in the present day. But not in which era it is supposed to take place.

I'm wondering how PIC will handle this. In the new trailer, PIC showed the Starfleet headquarter from DIS, and the DIS shuttle flying around in the background. Hopefully that's just temporary CGI, and the new team gets better at distinguishing Treks different eras by design.

 

[Tuskin38]

PIC showed the Starfleet headquarter from DIS

It's not identical to DSC.

 

[Rahul]

Errr... the San Francisco bridge with the Federation headquarter in the background. Not sure, but the shots seemed identical to one from DIS.

 

[Relayer1]

"It's different!!"
"It's not different, enough!"
Often from the same people.

It's too not different enough !

 

[thribs]

Wonder why they showed the D and not the E as the hologram? I only hope it still looks like the E when they do reveal it.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Wonder why they showed the D and not the E as the hologram? I only hope it still looks like the E when they do reveal it.

Because the D is symbolic of one of the most popular and beloved skiffy TV shows of all time. The E is symbolic of three mediocre and mostly forgettable films from two decades ago.

 

[Relayer1]

Because the D is symbolic of one of the most popular and beloved skiffy TV shows of all time. The E is symbolic of three mediocre and mostly forgettable films from two decades ago.

Yeah, but the D was crap and the E wasn't...

 

[CorporalClegg]

Ok?

 

[Jayson1]

Yeah, but the D was crap and the E wasn't...

It was only crap because the designers forgot to install toliets for the crew. Otherwise it looks great. Not a overly produced look like the E. Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

I've never liked the D, but there is no denying it's iconic.