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If its so perfect why do humans leave and start colonies elsewhere?
Human nature to go out and explore and indulge in their natural curiosity. Humans, by their nature, want to explore and feel most confident when they have a safe base to explore outwardly from and return to.
 
Human nature to go out and explore and indulge in their natural curiosity. Humans, by their nature, want to explore and feel most confident when they have a safe base to explore outwardly from and return to.
Apart from human curiousity, most human exploration is/was based on 'there is a new place with resources or people we can exploit or trade with' or consider economic migration, most people migrate for a better life from whence they came, be it fleeing war, persecution or they want more money for their families. However most Star Trek exploration is based on humans finding a nice empty planet just like Earth and setting up Earth 2. If you live in Utopia why leave all that for a rough start elsewhere? Unless Utopia is a boring place.
 
Apart from human curiousity, most human exploration is/was based on 'there is a new place with resources or people we can exploit or trade with' or consider economic migration, most people migrate for a better life from whence they came, be it fleeing war, persecution or they want more money for their families. However most Star Trek exploration is based on humans finding a nice empty planet just like Earth and setting up Earth 2. If you live in Utopia why leave all that for a rough start elsewhere? Unless Utopia is a boring place.

To be fair, most off-Earth colonies which were shown in Trek were very, very lightly populated - which suggests that only a small minority of Earth's population actually wants to consider moving to another planet and living a comparably deprived life.
 
To be fair, most off-Earth colonies which were shown in Trek were very, very lightly populated - which suggests that only a small minority of Earth's population actually wants to consider moving to another planet and living a comparably deprived life.
So they probably died off due to genetic diversity health issues (as in lack of). However the novels state Deneva had a population of billions, (mainly human) by the 24th century and Cestus III millions.
 
Interesting that the aliens are all easily identifiable. Cool Andorians.

Kor

It's not that surprising if the story takes place near the core of the old Federation. Why would we expect to see new races there? Particularly if the "fall of the Federation" happened relatively recently, and there hasn't been time for a new race to expand into the power vacuum?
 
Apart from human curiousity, most human exploration is/was based on 'there is a new place with resources or people we can exploit or trade with' or consider economic migration, most people migrate for a better life from whence they came, be it fleeing war, persecution or they want more money for their families. However most Star Trek exploration is based on humans finding a nice empty planet just like Earth and setting up Earth 2. If you live in Utopia why leave all that for a rough start elsewhere? Unless Utopia is a boring place.
Perhaps utopia is a boring place. Or humans are curious and have a desire to explore and expand their knowledge base. For instance, what would colonizing Mars really accomplish? Mars is not suited for human habitation, much less the travel through the vacuum of space. McCoy has a great point on this in Trek 09. So, what's the point? It's not finding a better life-arguably, life on Mars would be more difficult. So, what's the driving force?

I maintain it is the human desire to explore and to satisfy that natural curiosity. And, I think Star Trek is the perfect vehicle for such an exploration.
 
Perhaps utopia is a boring place. Or humans are curious and have a desire to explore and expand their knowledge base. For instance, what would colonizing Mars really accomplish? Mars is not suited for human habitation, much less the travel through the vacuum of space. McCoy has a great point on this in Trek 09. So, what's the point? It's not finding a better life-arguably, life on Mars would be more difficult. So, what's the driving force?

I maintain it is the human desire to explore and to satisfy that natural curiosity. And, I think Star Trek is the perfect vehicle for such an exploration.

I mean, the logic for why you shouldn't leave utopian Earth is identical to the logic of why no one should want to join Starfleet.

Actually strike that - Starfleet is worse, considering you have to work really, really hard to get there, and it tremendously increases your chances of not living to a ripe old age of 130.
 
It's not that surprising if the story takes place near the core of the old Federation. Why would we expect to see new races there? Particularly if the "fall of the Federation" happened relatively recently, and there hasn't been time for a new race to expand into the power vacuum?
I mean the aliens look exactly the same as they did before, unlike the liberties taken with the Klingon re-imagining. The designers showed remarkable and admirable restraint in this instance.

Kor
 
I mean the aliens look exactly the same as they did before, unlike the liberties taken with the Klingon re-imagining. The designers showed remarkable and admirable restraint in this instance.

Kor

The Andorians seem to be similar to their earlier redesign in DIS, with the weird eyebrow projections. And we already saw Trill in Discovery who looked identical to DS9 Trill.

As for the Cardassian and the Lurian - if the whole point of putting them in is just background fanwank, then messing with them in any way would defeat the purpose.

I do think that after getting spanked so much regarding the Klingons, they basically decided not to go there again though.
 
I mean, the logic for why you shouldn't leave utopian Earth is identical to the logic of why no one should want to join Starfleet.

Actually strike that - Starfleet is worse, considering you have to work really, really hard to get there, and it tremendously increases your chances of not living to a ripe old age of 130.
Exactly. Logically, the residents living on Earth wouldn't want to join Starfleet either. And, I suppose there could be an argument for colonists to join up, like Tasha Yar, or Ro Laren. But, the majority of the TOS crew are from Earth. This speaks to the emotional need for humans to go out and explore, and logic be damned.
 
Exactly. Logically, the residents living on Earth wouldn't want to join Starfleet either. And, I suppose there could be an argument for colonists to join up, like Tasha Yar, or Ro Laren. But, the majority of the TOS crew are from Earth. This speaks to the emotional need for humans to go out and explore, and logic be damned.
Exactly, the point is that since Earth is a utopia where no one suffers from scarcity, people have the freedom to do essentially whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
 
They said at the panel, that since it's 930 years in the future, they felt safe experimenting with a new design aesthetic.
Trek has done wrist communicators, so wrist weapons make sense too. I can't remember if wrist tricorders have been a thing.
Let's just hope that these aren't phaser/communicator combo units that end up shooting the user in the face when trying to make a call.

Kor
 
Exactly. Logically, the residents living on Earth wouldn't want to join Starfleet either. And, I suppose there could be an argument for colonists to join up, like Tasha Yar, or Ro Laren. But, the majority of the TOS crew are from Earth. This speaks to the emotional need for humans to go out and explore, and logic be damned.
I've thought for awhile now Starfleet may be where the UFP's fuckups wind up, especially if the UFP uses forms of social currency instead of money for the most part.

McCoy fleeing his exes in the 09 film reminded me of tales of people, even currently, who join the Spanish and French Foreign legions to avoid alimony or other debts, getting a legal name change in the deal, if required.

Super Talented But Hard To Deal With? Uncle Archer Needs You! Enlist At Your Local Starfleet Recruitment Center.
 
I've thought for awhile now Starfleet may be where the UFP's fuckups wind up, especially if the UFP uses forms of social currency instead of money for the most part.

McCoy fleeing his exes in the 09 film reminded me of tales of people, even currently, who join the Spanish and French Foreign legions to avoid alimony or other debts, getting a legal name change in the deal, if required.

Super Talented But Hard To Deal With? Uncle Archer Needs You! Enlist At Your Local Starfleet Recruitment Center.

If I lived in the 24th Century, you better believe I'd be spending my time working as little as possible, enjoying reading and holodeck time, along with occasional vacations offworld.
 
If I lived in the 24th Century, you better believe I'd be spending my time working as little as possible, enjoying reading and holodeck time, along with occasional vacations offworld.
Same here.

But, that doesn't change humans' inclination to explore.
 
If I lived in the 24th Century, you better believe I'd be spending my time working as little as possible, enjoying reading and holodeck time, along with occasional vacations offworld.
That kind of atrophy probably made them so easy to defeat repeatedly in the Dominion War. The Fed finally rose to the fight, but nearly didn't survive it, and probably wouldn't have without some very shady dealings and genocidal weapon development in its background. That it met the challenge and survived it either means they passed one of Albert Toynbee's civilization challenges that must be met not by the masses as a whole by an elite minority guiding the civilization for the greater good, or else they just got extremely lucky and a genius cluster happened to exist at the right time and place.
 
IIRC, Roddenberry's memorable TMP novelization described Starfleet types as somewhat old-fashioned misfits who didn't quite fit in with the "new humans" stuff going on back at Earth.

Kor
 
Interesting that the aliens are all easily identifiable. Cool Andorians.

...Is that an identifiable Andorian? That, is, yet another clone of the Riley Gilchrist one?

The Lurian appears to suffer from hair loss. Too much latinum sloshing in his stomach?

As far as I can tell, humans weren't particularly poor at fighting in the Dominion war: the only cases of shell shock or the like were in the preliminaries against the Klingons. It's just that the Dominion was a superior foe, even when cut off from all reinforcements. And it was the folks back on Earth who won the war, not rugged frontline people like Sisko: some clever San Franciscoite apparently came up with the bioweapon that defeated the Founders.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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