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Season 11 slated for autumn 2018

Bit of a shame, would be nice to see how the new show progresses.

Still, 18 months to make a whole season - unless Chibnall has it as bad or worse than how John Nathan-Turner had in 1986, where delays and thrown out scripts and people walking away hamper what he wants to do - means something top notch will surely be the result.
 
I don't take what Whithouse has said publicly at face value. He can't exactly say, "I didn't like the deal they offered," not when, as a working producer, he hopes to turn around and sell the BBC material down the road. Saying "I'm not interested in producing other people's stuff" gets Whithouse out easily in a way that doesn't put himself and the BBC on antagonistic footing.

Thank God most producers don't have this attitude or Doctor Who would have stopped when Sydney & Verity left.
 
Would a November special be so bad? It would remove the pressure to make it Christmassy.

I think that, whenever they're going to start the season in the fall, they should do an Easter special. I feel like this is especially crucial in cases like Seasons 8 or 11 when we're starting with a new Doctor and I can't friggin' wait for 8+ months to see what the new Doc is really like. (Maybe even moreso in Whittaker's case to take the edge off the doubters who object to a female Doctor. The longer it takes before we actually see her, the more rampant overheated speculation we're going to get.)

Quoted for Truth. In fairness I have less of an issue with Chibnall's work that I did in his Torchwood series 1 days, but I still don't think he's ever written anything to the level of Moffat or RTD or Whithouse, and that's my worry (but then again if he surrounds himself with great writers and his idea of having a writers room takes off then this may not be an issue. There's no rule that says the showrunner has to be the best writer on the show I guess

I was never particularly blown away by RTD's scripts (with the sole exception of "Midnight"). He would occasionally posit great scenarios that would lead to big, bombastic finales. And his season premieres would usually be appropriately light & fun. But when you get right down to it, all of his scripts have been a bit basic. He's never really had a gift for a great hook the way Moffat has.

Granted, Moffat could sometimes get himself into trouble by making his stories overly convoluted ("A Good Man Goes to War," "The Wedding of River Song," "The Name of the Doctor," "The Time of the Doctor"). And in some of his more stripped down simple stories, his boredom tends to seep through ("The Bells of Saint John," "The Pilot"). But I'll always be immensely grateful to him for giving us "The Eleventh Hour," "The Pandorica Opens," "The Big Bang," "The Impossible Astronaut," "The Day of the Doctor," "Deep Breath," "Heaven Sent," "The Husbands of River Song," "World Enough & Time," and "The Doctor Falls."

What's brilliant about Whithouse is that episodes like "Vampires of Venice," "The God Complex," & "Under the Lake" aren't trying to reinvent the show like the best Moffat episodes are; they're just executing the formula with absolute perfection!

That also makes sense of the pre-season marketing and trailers, which suggested very strongly a pre-Christmas regeneration. I'm not talking about ending the trailer with the mid-season fakeout regeneration. I'm talking about the whole "Tune in for Peter Capaldi's final adventures" angle. There was very much a sense, especially from BBC America, that this run of twelve episodes was the end, full stop. Because, as now seems likely, at the time the marketing plan was made, that was the intention.

Huh. I was always assuming that Capaldi would go at the end of the Christmas special, just like Tennant & Smith. I never got any other impression from the marketing. I just figured it's Capaldi's final adventures because it's his final season.

What's the hook to get people to tune in in November? Christmas specials take advantage of the fact that it's Christmas day, and people don't have much else to do anyway, so why not a Doctor Who special? This results in a larger percentage of people tuning in for the broadcast of the episode than you'd get in November when say life, work, some other shit gets in the way and people decide against watching it live and settle for DVR, streaming and all the various alternatives.

I'm telling you, you Brits need to consider adopting Thanksgiving. It's all the gastronomic indulgence of Christmas but without the stress of needing to buy anyone any presents yet. It gives the end of the year some much needed structure.:techman:
 
I'm telling you, you Brits need to consider adopting Thanksgiving. It's all the gastronomic indulgence of Christmas but without the stress of needing to buy anyone any presents yet. It gives the end of the year some much needed structure.:techman:
I'm actually Canadian, and we do celebrate Thanksgiving, only we do it in October. Mind you, we have for reasons that elude me, adopted the "great" American tradition of Black Friday at the end of November, as have our British friends, IIRC.

Although Canadian Black Fridays aren't quite the epic battleground they are in the US, as a retail employee I can say they're still a bunch of unwanted and unnecessary stress, and in my case I work at a grocery story that's actually not one of the company's busier locations. There's nothing like working retail on Black Friday to make you realize the bleeding hearts are onto something when they say Christmas is too commercialized.
 
As an American, I say without any irony or hesitation that the Thanksgiving through Christmas season is an awful, awful time that drives a bigger stake through my heart each year.

And Black Friday is high on my list of my most hated symptoms of the disease that plagues this nation, that disease being its mindless lawn-mowing citizens and their corporate overlords.

That said, the soundbar I got last Black Friday was a freakin' steal!
 
Oh, I forgot to comment on the actual topic. I was fearing/expecting it to come out in the fall. When I started watching nuWho I binged series 1-7a in the span of like, a summer and had to wait a half year before 7b came out. From that point its felt like each series comes out every like 5 years and only lasts three weeks. The wait is excruciating given the timeframe and volume at which I consumed the prior series!
 
It no longer bothers me when Who will be back on air as i don't watch it live anyway anymore, as i now just wait and binge watch it once it is all out in a few sessions.....i can't imagine ever going back to the old days of waiting a week after seeing a episode. lol
 
It no longer bothers me when Who will be back on air as i don't watch it live anyway anymore, as i now just wait and binge watch it once it is all out in a few sessions.....i can't imagine ever going back to the old days of waiting a week after seeing a episode. lol
In all honesty, I prefer watching new shows "live" on a weekly basis as it helps give me something to look forward to and that helps me get through the week. As it is, I'm currently in a period of which no shows I watch have had new episodes, and it's been brutal.
 
In all honesty, I prefer watching new shows "live" on a weekly basis as it helps give me something to look forward to and that helps me get through the week. As it is, I'm currently in a period of which no shows I watch have had new episodes, and it's been brutal.

For me, the next time a show will be putting out new episodes I can look forward to will be Doctor Who. Luckily I have a shitload of TV & Movies on DVD and blu-ray, but it's not the same.
 
If I watch too many episodes of anything too quickly I end up getting bored with them even if's something I really like. That said I'm currently holding off on "Twin Peaks" as I suspect it's something I'll follow better watching an episode a day instead of an episode a week.
 
In all honesty, I prefer watching new shows "live" on a weekly basis as it helps give me something to look forward to and that helps me get through the week. As it is, I'm currently in a period of which no shows I watch have had new episodes, and it's been brutal.

Agreed. I don't have cable or any streaming services, so my friends & I have made it a weekly Sunday ritual whenever Doctor Who is in season to go over to their house, hang out, and watch the new episode that they just bought off of Amazon Prime. (It's even better when the show is on during the summer because then we can use their swimming pool.)

There are very few TV shows that I'm currently watching with that kind of regularity. In fact, now that I think about it, there aren't any others left now that Downton Abbey has ended and I've given up on Saturday Night Live. The rest of the time, the only TV shows I'm watching are my old DVDs of Doctor Who, Law & Order, Red Dwarf, and Mystery Science Theater 3000.
 
The rest of the time, the only TV shows I'm watching are my old DVDs of Doctor Who, Law & Order, Red Dwarf, and Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Soon you should have some new Red Dwarf! I'm not sure exactly when but I think the new season comes out this Fall.

I know my total enjoyment is greater when I'm forced to watch a show one episode per week. However, if I discover an old series, but new to me, I have no problems binge watching.
 
Soon you should have some new Red Dwarf! I'm not sure exactly when but I think the new season comes out this Fall.

I know my total enjoyment is greater when I'm forced to watch a show one episode per week. However, if I discover an old series, but new to me, I have no problems binge watching.

Agreed. I've binge-watched many a show. It's not my preferred method but I'm often forced into that by the fact that I'm often just waiting for episodes to come out on DVD. (The most I've ever binge watched at once was when I got the 1st season of Torchwood on DVD. After watching a few episodes here & there during the week, I spent an entire Saturday binging the last 7 episodes, followed by the "Utopia"/"The Sound of Drums"/"Last of the Time Lords" 3-parter on Doctor Who.)

And I'm very excited about Red Dwarf Series XII! The DVD comes out November 14, just in time for my birthday! :D (Although, I gotta say, I didn't like Series XI quite as much as Series X. IMO, the show is usually at its best when it's a low-budget bottle show. That's why Series I & II will always be my absolute favorites.)
 
And I'm very excited about Red Dwarf Series XII! The DVD comes out November 14, just in time for my birthday! :D (Although, I gotta say, I didn't like Series XI quite as much as Series X. IMO, the show is usually at its best when it's a low-budget bottle show. That's why Series I & II will always be my absolute favorites.)

I'm am too! And, that's just in time for my birthday too! :D

I love the early seasons the best too. Although, I've been quite impressed with how well they've recaptured the old vibe during the new seasons. They've really gone back to what worked in the early days. Not quite the same, but hey it's new Dwarf!
 
I'm am too! And, that's just in time for my birthday too! :D

I love the early seasons the best too. Although, I've been quite impressed with how well they've recaptured the old vibe during the new seasons. They've really gone back to what worked in the early days. Not quite the same, but hey it's new Dwarf!

Amen! While it's not quite the same, it holds up way better than most of Series VII & VIII. And I'd probably rank Series X right up there with III & V, even if it's not quite on par with I, II, & IV.
 
Allegedly the next series will be 10 one hour episodes as opposed to 12 forty-five minute ones. So in overall length that's an increase and hopefully will help alleviate the ever-present rushed endings problem.

Also, Brand Manager Ed Russell is the latest long-term behind-the-scenes person for the chop.
 
Allegedly the next series will be 10 one hour episodes as opposed to 12 forty-five minute ones. So in overall length that's an increase and hopefully will help alleviate the ever-present rushed endings problem.

Also, Brand Manager Ed Russell is the latest long-term behind-the-scenes person for the chop.

That seems like a gimmick so that in series 12 it will just be 10 45 minute episodes. Get people used to a lowered episode count like they did in Capaldi's era (Doctor Who is supposed to be 13 episodes and a X-Mas special, not 12 in a special but they were supposedly longer the first year they did that) then drop the time per episode back to normal. By series 13 it will probably be 3 two hour episodes every four years like Sherlock :shifty:
 
Also, Brand Manager Ed Russell is the latest long-term behind-the-scenes person for the chop.

Nice. It's like all the sycophants and apologists are being shown the door -- or at least given a strong nudge in that direction direction.
 
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