Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Lord Garth, Mar 26, 2020.
TNG got a token nomination during its last season which, yes, was FAR from its best. But by that time, the show had gotten so popular that they decided to give it some minor recognition.
But that was back when the Emmys were owned, lock stock and barrel by the networks. The fact that any non-network show, let alone a genre show, got even a token nomination, was pretty shocking.
The world is entirely different now. The networks almost never actually dent the major categories anymore (well, except comedy series) and the major awards are almost always given to HBO, Netflix, other streamers, even prestige shows on basic cablers like FX, etc. A particular "genre" show has swept awards show after awards show for years, even after its quality tanked. (and that was based on residual affection the show had built up for years.)
A show like "picard", a high-profile streaming show, absolutely would have a shake at a nomination if it was good. But the competition is so fierce for the emmys, there are just SO many shows that a mediocrity like Picard isn't going to make a blip.
If the show was actually good, things would be different. But it's not.
I gave it an 8, but it was an amazingly steady 8. I'd say the ups-and-downs were very limited. Lowest I rated was a 7, majority were 8's, one 9 and one 10.
Lots of people complaining about the pacing, the first 3 episodes, and the conclusion. I loved all of these things about PIC.
I'm not even a huge TNG fan (it's about middle of the road in terms of my love for Trek series), but I thought this was great. I liked how they redefined the Picard character, stretched back into TNG lore (Measure of a Man, I Borg, ST First Contact, Nemesis, 2009), and brought nice closure to Data's arc. The cast was awesome, and I really liked the villains for the most part.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. And my expectations were pretty mediocre.
I really hope it gets a second season. I'd love to see where the characters go next.
Ok...? And I guess I'll forever be guessing at the reason why people subject themselves to watching things they don't care for and describe it as "watching paint dry?"
Pike was great. Number One was... a thing I guess. The (Eaves-butchered) Enterprise was fun to see, but only from a nostalgia point of view.
The rest of the cast, the story-telling, the non-sensical plot... terrible.
Why do you care about Stamets and Culber? The former got better when he mellowed out and he got a tad more likeable as a result, but Culber isn't a character, he's just a walking billboard for being gay. Seriously, two seasons later, what have we learned about him? That he likes opera. Great. Anything else?
The showrunners and the actors are so proud of the fact that they have this shiny gay relationship on tv, to the point where they hold hands at press events (how creepy is that, given they both have partners?). The fact is that in 2020, what they should actually look to hang their hat on, is making Stamets and Culber compelling characters first and foremost. But no. Let's just press fast forward on the character development. That's the point I'm trying to make, focus on CHARACTERS when casting a show. Not gender, race, sexuality. Those should be secondary.
It's not. It's Hollywood.
Because they feel like real people in a stressful situation trying to do their best.
I care about Culber because he is a sensitive soul who loves Stamets despite his rough edges and oddities. And the fact that he suffered because of his partner's experiments introduced an element that I found engaging and *gasp* compelling. You're mileage obviously varies.
TL: DR-I care because they feel like people. And, I care about people.
I actualy enjoy reading these threads, and the justifications of this nonsensical show more than the show itself. Even though I dont subscribe, nor watch the show. I do so much enjoy this BBS. If the writers only had an imagination machine to help them write a great story. Oh well, maybe someday.
Sense...this makes none.
Probably not. The writers of Trek will never satisfy this audience.
I think it had pacing issues. One, it really needs to be binged, the one week break between episodes killed a lot of momentum, and the story as a whole is built on momentum, even the breather episode. Once stuff starts happening it happens fast, almost too fast.
The series could have benefited from two or three more episodes, stretching some things out, providing room for more character scenes. Picard's resurrection could have been its own epilogue episode. As was, it felt rushed.
If I didn't like it, why did I stay in to the end? To see how it ends with my own eyes, not through someone else's eyes.
I was listening to Robert Meyer Burnett. I liked his idea about what the first season of Picard could have been - the exploration of a man with a terminal illness and his decision on whether to end his life or have his consciousness transferred to a synthetic body so he could continue living. That is a pretty cool idea. Sadly, it got bogged down with the Admonition storyline.
He mentions it in this video:
RMB has zero value for me as far as Trek goes. I appreciate you staying to the end but I suggest finding something to actually enjoy.
Return to Tomorrow suggested that the Vulcans weren't native to Vulcan, back in 68.
Keep watching in the hope that it gets better. I think it would have been better to drop the whole season at once so we can binge watch and take breaks when we decide to. I realize I could have waited for all 10 episodes to be released before I started watching but the temptation was too great.
I guess it's similar to reading a novel but you are spoon fed a chapter each week instead of reading as much as you want and deciding when to take breaks. Another good example would be a Robert Ludlum novel vs. a Tom Clancy novel. Ludlum would end every chapter with a cliff hanger forcing you to "read one more" where Clancy would do an extremely slow build up (at least with his later novels) that left you begging him to "get on with the story already!"
Never appealed to me. If I didn't like it I don't watch it. Shows have small windows to impress me.
I do think dropping it at once would have been smarter.
Literally took the words out of my mouth.
The plot did a real disservice to its villains by not giving them any background outside of Narissa's Zhat Vash initiation scene and Narek's campfire scene explaining the story of the demons. They were weak villains.
The Borg cube felt like someone felt it would be a great ending to an episode and then they had no idea where to go with it from there. It didn't add anything to the plot and while the concept of recovering people who had been assimilated and having them struggle to reclaim their lives would be an interesting story on its own, it is wasted time here.
The final quarter of the season was a step down from the rest of the season. I was happy to see them building the universe of this era we'd never seen. But then it feels like the writing staff felt they needed to tie up every loose end at the end of the season and the stories became more mishmash as the season progressed. The finale decision to have Picard die and be re-born and Data suddenly living in three memory keys and wanting to die were things that didn't need to happen in my opinion.
It was better than either season of Discovery, especially Discovery's 1st season diversion into the mirror universe.
The only main character this show did a disservice to was Elnor. They set him up to have this storyline of being a surrogate son for Picard, a man who has wanted a family, but would never be truly comfortable in a father role. But then they shuttled him off to hang out with Hugh and Seven and he suddenly has connections with these two that come out of nowhere.
Other than that, I was overjoyed that Rios and Raffi were shown as characters that had PTSD and addiction, people that were forgotten by the perfect world of the Federation. They are more realistic characters and frankly still have those ideals of a perfect Federation, but also have these edges to them.
I'm hoping Season Two will try a smaller story line. It doesn't need to be an end of the universe story. I'm stealing a line, but do five things right instead of ten things half assed.
I think you don't know the angle I'm looking at this from, so I'll make it more clear.
As much as I like Picard, it's the seventh full-length live-action series in a franchise. I personally do not believe it should win an Emmy for Best Series because it can't help but be derivative by design. As a matter of principle, I happen to think something original should always get the nod over a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot, or what-have-you.
But that does not change the fact that I think the entire nominating process is political. I just think that, all that smooching aside (and I really, really despise smooching), even among selections that are original, all of it is political maneuvering and getting in good with different people, and outright favoritism. Forget about Picard. Forget Star Trek. I thought this in the early-2000s. And I sure wasn't a fan of the Star Trek coming out in the early-2000s. So my opinion of awards has nothing to do with Star Trek or Picard.
The whole reason I did the Golden Gormaganders because I thought, "The Hell with it! I'll do an awards ceremony of my own." And I did it in college too with some friends (but not with Star Trek). But it was all in good fun, nothing intended to be serious. Just putting on an elaborate show. Which I am a fan of.
I hope this clears things up. I understand the misunderstanding. You only see what I say about Picard (maybe Discovery too), and you only know me in that context. As a fan of those shows. But there are other sides to me too. And other perspectives that I have.
Hello Picard Fans!
Given the varying opinions that we have of the different episodes in Picard's first season, I thought it would add to the conversation if we had some numbers for each of the episodes this Season. Where do we get this data? Why, our very own Episode threads of course!
Following are some basic stats taken from the individual episode threads*. Hope you find it useful and fun. Let me know your feedback and if we can do anymore number crunching, do not hesitate to say so!
According to our episode ratings, Episode 7 had the best weighted average rating and Episode 9 had the lowest. As you can see, the range is not very high 7.40 to 8.74.
* - Episode 1 has not been included in the above analysis, because the Episode 1 thread has only 5 ranking options, whereas all the other episode threads have 10 options.
4. I tried to like it, but overall I was disappointed.
You couldn't come up with a rough conversion for that?
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