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Spoilers SDCC season 3 news thread!

Cleveland Brooker... way to start, Disco Season 3. Because, yeah, in 1000 years we can expect people to have still XX century names and last names. Wow, just WOW. I have been questioning Discovery writers since season 1, and things are just falling off the cliff.

You know, going 1k years into the future is risky for the franchise. First, you risk making all the past canon irrelevant. And second, you would expect things to be so drastically different, that depiction of this alien future could fail easily. Why didn't they pick a more reasonable 2-300 years into the future? Think about how things are different now compared to the XI century. Culturally, visually, scientifically... Plus, they are now messing with a period of time already touched by ENT with the Temporal Cold War. I can honestly see this going very bad, very quickly. Lots of downside, very little upside.

What made TNG so successful with fans was, IMO, that while in the future it wasn't that far off from TOS to be unrecognizable. 100 years are a good time frame where lots of change can happen, but everything can still be tied back to the old stories.

Now, 1k years is a HUGE gap. All we know could well be irrelevant, but the gap is so large that so many things could have happened that all that happened in the past lost relevance. Like you were living in the Roman Empire, and next thing you now you are in the USSR. You lose completely context and relevance... UNLESS... the past is somewhat used as foundation for the present (i.e., Roman and Greek civilization were the foundation of modern Western Society).

If in the far future the Federation didn't exist anymore (or the ideals/concept inspired by them), then Discovery Season 3 would totally be a waste of everyone's time and another bad attempt to reboot the franchise. Which, honestly, has been underwhelming since the beginning, plagued by rushed screenplay and very poor character development.

I am as excited about Picard and Lower Decks as I am totally not looking forward to Disco Season 3.
You're right - why would a naming convention continue for 1000+ years...oh wait, you're WRONG:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname

One small excert as an example:

In China, according to legend, family names started with Emperor Fu Xi in 2852 BC.[10][11] His administration standardised the naming system in order to facilitate census-taking, and the use of census information. Originally, Chinese surnames were derived matrilineally,[12] although by the time of the Shang dynasty (1600 to 1046 BCE) they had become patrilineal.[12][13] Chinese women do not change their names upon marriage. They can be referred to either as their full birth names or as their husband's surname plus the word for wife. In the past, women's given name were often not publicly known and women were referred in official documents by their family name plus the character "Shi" and when married by their husband's surname, their birth surname, and the character "Shi".
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So yeah, given 4000 years of using surnames, why would it be abandoned in another 1300? ;)

(Wow - people will botch about anything to demean this show.)
 
In Greece, names from the non-christian classical antiquity are very common in present day, at least 2500 years later, like Athena, Alexander, Pericles, Alkinoos, Aphrodite, Phillip, Daphne, Demosthenes, Aspasia and many many more. So I don't see any problem with Cleveland existing far into the future.
Maybe there's a new fad naming your kids with names from 1000 years ago, or he's named after the city of his earliest known ancestors, or a human colony from Earth refugees, or his parents' favorite US president or 100s of other reasons why Cleveland persists into the 3rd millennium.
 
Questions on uniforms, I thought the color uniforms were new uniforms according to Pike in the Season 2 premiere. If Spock is an ensign here, shouldn't the uniforms be different? Maybe close to The Cage's uniforms?
 
Questions on uniforms, I thought the color uniforms were new uniforms according to Pike in the Season 2 premiere. If Spock is an ensign here, shouldn't the uniforms be different? Maybe close to The Cage's uniforms?

They were already made and they weren’t going to create new ones for a couple of shorts.
 
(Wow - people will botch about anything to demean this show.)

How dare anyone have an opinion on anything?!

The name doesn’t mean the third season will be good or bad, just that it is very generic. Almost something that would be a placeholder than a serious name.
 
How dare anyone have an opinion on anything?!

The name doesn’t mean the third season will be good or bad, just that it is very generic. Almost something that would be a placeholder than a serious name.
I prefer generic to highly specific.
 
How dare anyone have an opinion on anything?!

The name doesn’t mean the third season will be good or bad, just that it is very generic. Almost something that would be a placeholder than a serious name.
Stand by it - Seriously? To say either the season will suck, or the writing staff sucks because 1000+ years later, they still use familiy naming conventions in use for thousands of years previously? :rofl:

(Also, I guess by your comment you take umbridge with my expression an opinion about someone else's opinion? - Interesting.)
 
Stand by it - Seriously? To say either the season will suck, or the writing staff sucks because 1000+ years later, they still use familiy naming conventions in use for thousands of years previously? :rofl:

(Also, I guess by your comment you take umbridge with my expression an opinion about someone else's opinion? - Interesting.)
Something...something...knee jerk reaction ;)
 
I haven't been on here much today. I've been busy with something else near and dear to me. I see I didn't miss anything. Just to mess with people, I hope they meet Hazel in the future. Delphis would be nice too.
 
How dare anyone have an opinion on anything?!

The name doesn’t mean the third season will be good or bad, just that it is very generic. Almost something that would be a placeholder than a serious name.
That’s an odd definition of generic.
 
In all my life, I've never personally known anyone named Cleveland.

"Generic" is Bob, Pat, Steve, Charlie... but as long as we have Klaatu, that's "alien". Even though I'm going to go out on a craaaaazy limb and say Cleveland is probably Human.
 
:lol: You list both my first name and my middle name as "generic."

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They could have chosen a non English sounding name though. Most of the human main characters have an English name already and I just think it is unrealistic. The native English speaking population only makes up about 5 % of the world population right now. So why not something like Jakub Wang? Common Polish given name and common Chinese family name. I kind of like the idea that names from different current Earth countries are getting mixed. So far in the future a lot of current cultural things should be a big jumble.
 
Star Trek: Where you're displaced almost 1,000 years further into the future, in the distant time beyond even the Temporal Wars and the first person they find is a human named Cleveland.
Yep, sounds like a Bad Robot, Kurtzman style script. Just add some explosions, make it flashy and have some corridor heart to hearts, and bickering between the crew.. Then the proper modern trek formula is good to go! No real depth or explanation to a story-line. Who cares. This is about fun, and 25% licensing differences anyways.

I despise anything Kurtzman touches. He is the worst producer and writer I have ever seen. Even worse then JJ (Plagiarizer and repackage) Abrams.

I know we are just getting started with this era of Trek, and I'm already wishing it was over.
Sorry, just how I feel. I mean, the majority of the characters in STD are unlikeable to me anyhow.

I could get behind, and maybe support a Pike Enterprise series, if someone else took the helm and made it more like that traditional formula, but I can't say I like this new Bad Robot Carnival "Prime" universe.. I still prefer the Alpha Timeline.
I cannot stand the Kelvin universe.

Modern trek.. Pffffffftttt!! yep, follows the downfall of a lot of modern shows. halved in their communities, and each side at each others throats over stupid things, and mostly SUPERFICIAL reasons.

Picard has the potential to be good.. But STD. I left midway into Season 2, and litterally FORCED myself to watch Season 1. 2 was indeed better, but the whole sorry excuse of a storyline, the red angels, and the whole mess with S31 was just annoying. I would have preferred getting to see stories where the Federation or Discovery meet super powerful beings, like in classic Trek, or something more of a discover type plot.. like it's name sake. A less annoying know it all beside Burnham, who always, always contradicts orders because she is supposedly smarter then anyone else.
smug and pretentious characters wear on the audience overtime. she does not become more likeable at all.

There's just so much I can't like about Discovery, that what I do like is just an after thought, and not the real substance or meat of the series that draws me back.

When I think of ST, I am not thinking about the explosions, or the ships as much as the characters, and STD characters are just like that crew of people you work with. you have to be there, but gosh if you were off, none of them would ever hear from you.. until you HAD to come back... dreading the next visit the whole time.
 
, but I can't say I like this new Bad Robot Carnival "Prime" universe.. I still prefer the Alpha Timeline.
wait, I know I left for a couple of months...new job and what not, but...this shennanigan level tin foil 'your prime timeline is not my prime timeline' nonsense is still going on?

I mean, c'mon, even some of the most misogynistic Whovians by now almost calmed down about the new Doctor, surely we as a fandom can restore sanity a little bit faster than that.
 
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