Spoilers SDCC season 3 news thread!

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by King Daniel Beyond, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    There’s also a spoiler tag in the thread title
     
  2. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Hmm. I haven’t seen calypso...what did they borrow from Ulysses 31? I mean, the Oddysey?
     
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  3. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Don’t worry about it lol.
     
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  4. serabine

    serabine Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Well, Craft (who is crafty, btw) introduces himself as Quarrel, when he is found drifting in an escape pod by Zora. He is healed by her, and discouraged to leave. During the episode we learn that war has kept him away from home for ten years, where he left behind wife and child, to which he desperately wants to return to. Finally, after it becomes clear that Zora has fallen in love with him, but he is faithful to his wife, she gives him the only shuttle she has left and points him home.

    So it's a loose retelling of Odysseus' time with the nymph Calypso.
     
  5. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Lol.
    It’s been so long since I read the oddysey that even bits of mine are similar by sheer coincidence. I wonder if my tutor had noticed that if I would have done better. (In my case, luckily, there’s a healing scene. Anyone know any audio script producers? It’s a good little fifteen minute script with a small cast and a ton of expensive music licensing needed....but it’s Hugo material I promise xD)
    Not as much as that though.

    Is there a legend where a sailor falls in love with the figurehead at the ships front? Or is that just harryhausen extrapolation?

    I keep trying to write my script up as a novel or novella, but it’s just not suited, so I guess I will never get to share it with the world.
     
  6. eschaton

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    The Joe Miller character could be grating I guess. I think Thomas Jane does a good job with him however, and it was perfect casting. The thing to remember is that the source book series explicitly makes each installment a hybrid of science fiction with a different genre. For the first book, it's SF and noir/detective novels. This stuff drops out of the mix pretty quickly after the first book though. Also, Miller's persona is sort of a conscious affectation - he's really kind of a self-loathing loser underneath it all - something much more clear in the books than in the show. A bigger casting problem is Steven Strait as James Holden, since Holden is the actual main character of the series, and he's simply miscast. No matter how unshaven they make him, and how much bass he puts into his voice, he just seems like he walked off of a CW teen drama to me.

    Anyway, the show does get markedly better after a semi-rocky start. I think The Expanse shines in several distinct areas:
    • It's by far the "hardest" science fiction show which I have ever seen on TV. The central plot of the show involves some seeming magic-tech, and there are cases they use artistic license to make things more filmable (like "mag boots" for zero-g environments). But Naren Shankar (who used to be TNG's science consultant) being showrunner really shows here. They get almost everything right. Space is dark and soundless. Space battles happen while ships are so far from one another they don't even have clear visuals. Humans die in vacuum in the manner they really would. They even get the Coriolis effect of a rotating habitat correct when pouring a drink!
    • The show - because it's based upon an established series of novels - has some serious worldbuilding, though it elaborates even further than the novels. There is a whole Belter culture, with everything from food to fashion to language (including an invented language - Belter Creole - and a Belter accent that most - other than Joe Miller - causally speak in. All of the different major political factions - Earth, Mars, and the Belt - have their own internal political conflicts which are examined. This results in a world which seems more real - more lived-in - as time passes.
    • The show does "shades of gray" in terms of morality in an interesting fashion. They don't make everyone an awful person - most of the main characters are genuinely nice-ish people, and want to do good, at least how they define it. However, their different values - and different loyalties - often bring them into conflict despite coming into things with generally good intentions. Even the few genuine villains, like Jules-Pierre Mao, are shown to not be inhuman monsters, and frankly given a greater level of complexity than the more shallow characterization given in the books.
    • The stories are very strongly rooted in the characters, which again contrasts pretty strongly with what Discovery did, particularly in the first season. In every episode they tend to intersperse one-on-one dialogue between different characters where the discussion really isn't about solving the crisis of the week, or even plot-relevant at all. Instead, the purpose of these breaks is to both give us insight into who the characters are and the status of the relationship between the two characters.
     
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  7. Alan Roi

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    Star Cops *can be watched on Youtube* made 32 years ago was far more committed to hard science fiction show than The Expanse, interestingly, as a whole lot of what it predicted from a strictly science perspective for the 2020s is or has become realized in real life. Honestly, IMO, There's a fair bit of magic stuff in the Expanse that rather puts it around what we saw in Babylon 5 back in the 90s. Stuff like the alien molecule that does magic is one thing. Then there's the armbands that will cure fatal doses of radiation as run of the mill medicine I found a bit much. Its obviously better than most shows, but previous efforts have done better when it comes to Hard SF not to mention a long time ago.
     
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  8. starsuperion

    starsuperion Commodore Commodore

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    So, say something we can all agree on, because you're personal opinion is subjectively stupid..got it. Nice chatting with you.
     
  9. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That's not what they're saying at all.
     
  10. cultcross

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    And your post is objectively warnable. Infraction for flaming, comments to PM.
     
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    From Reykjavik to Toronto...
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    I can't wait for Picard to start and we can moan to it's fans that it's just another prequel and Trek needs to get over it's obsession with prequels and move to the present of Disco season 3 :p
     
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  14. Tuskin38

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    DSC Season 3 will technically be a prequel to Calypso.
     
  15. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    That's an assumption. Given the tidbits we have (IE that the crew won't start out together in one place) - maybe the ship itself shows up empty, and the last thing the ship's A.I. recall is that the crew evacuated Discovery on the Captain's order (it S2 Ep. 13 "Such Sweet Sorrow Part 1") - and maybe there was some sort of temporal delay, meaning when the Discovery A.I. Kora became more 'self aware' the last thing it recalls is the order to leave the ship, and the crew going, etc.

    In other words, the first episode of ST: D S3 could be a CONTINUATION of "Calypso". :wtf::eek:;)
     
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    From what I understood, "Calypso" would factor into Season 3 and Craft would be worked in. So it's not so much that Season 3 would be a prequel to "Calypso" as it's going to be that "Calypso" would retroactively take place during it.

    Source
     
  18. eschaton

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    Honestly, Discovery's third season as a prequel to Calypso would be a baller move.

    I mean, think about it. Discovery ends up in the far future, past the fall of the Federation. They attempt to re-educate humans regarding their own past, and in the ways of the Federation. The future humans grossly misunderstand the crew, and create the V'draysh.
     
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  19. Jadeb

    Jadeb Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Could we get an appearance by Bela Oxmyx (now extra murderous) or the all-nude Ilia Gene would have wanted?
     
  20. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    When I was like 12 or something waaay back in the day I wrote a fanfic on an old monochrome PC where TNG crew goes back and finds that they are now mimicking, to a T, the 23rd century of Kirk's Federation.


    It would still work.