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Scruffy-looking untitled Han Solo film thread

Yes, any high profile change on a movie this big is always going to generate a lot of press, a lot of theories, clickbait articles and unsubstantiated rumours. But the key point here is that the directors were outright fired after the majority of the work had theoretically already been done. On a project this expensive, that almost never happens and in this scenario Kathleen Kennedy is the veteran with a solid track record producing many many movies of this pedigree and the two directors are the relative rookies, I think it's obvious that whatever the whethertos and whyfors of what went on, it's the latter who were the problem.
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I understand that Lord and Miller were fired because they were not capturing the style that Disney and Lucasfilm wanted. But why did Kathleen Kennedy wait so long to fire them, especially after they had directed a majority of the film? She didn't have the time to keep an eye on what was going on? Or use an assistant to keep an eye on the film? Why so long?
 
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LJones41 said:
I understand that Lord and Miller were fired because they were not capturing the style that Disney and Lucasfilm wanted. But why did Kathleen Kennedy wait so long to fire them, especially after they had directed a majority of the film? She didn't have the time to keep an eye on what was going on? Or use an assistant to keep an eye on the film? Why so long?
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Because they tried other remedies first. See: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ls-behind-phil-lord-chris-miller-exit-1016619

They installed Kasdan as a shadow director, they had feedback on the dailies, but ultimately none of that worked, so they pulled the plug.
 
The Wormhole said:
What the hell is IMDB Pro anyway, and how is it different from regular IMDB, aside from requiring people sign up for it?
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You pay more to get more access. I don't know the exact details since I never cared, but I think you get more information about upcoming projects as well as other information. Considering how dubiously unreliable IMDb is for future projects, I don't understand why people pay. Unless that information is more accurate...
 
LJones41 said:
I understand that Lord and Miller were fired because they were not capturing the style that Disney and Lucasfilm wanted. But why did Kathleen Kennedy wait so long to fire them, especially after they had directed a majority of the film? She didn't have the time to keep an eye on what was going on? Or use an assistant to keep an eye on the film? Why so long?
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People in these positions are not fired on a whim. Barring some sort of huge incident which demands their immediate firing as the only possible response, the studio has to be seen as having given them every available opportunity to improve and more or less gather a mountain of evidence to prove they have legitimate grounds for dismissal, and that simply put takes time. Otherwise, Disney would risk reprisals from the DGA or even a lawsuit from Miller and Lord for wrongful dismissal.

You'll find this kind of thinking in all manner of occupations in all walks of life. The company I work for rather infamously transferred a department manager to one of the busiest stores in the region a few years ago. Even though it was obvious after two months he wasn't cut out for the job, he stayed for the better part of a year completely failing before the higher-ups had enough hard evidence to have him removed without him being able to protest the decision.
 
The Wormhole said:
People in these positions are not fired on a whim. Barring some sort of huge incident which demands their immediate firing as the only possible response, the studio has to be seen as having given them every available opportunity to improve and more or less gather a mountain of evidence to prove they have legitimate grounds for dismissal, and that simply put takes time. Otherwise, Disney would risk reprisals from the DGA or even a lawsuit from Miller and Lord for wrongful dismissal.

You'll find this kind of thinking in all manner of occupations in all walks of life. The company I work for rather infamously transferred a department manager to one of the busiest stores in the region a few years ago. Even though it was obvious after two months he wasn't cut out for the job, he stayed for the better part of a year completely failing before the higher-ups had enough hard evidence to have him removed without him being able to protest the decision.
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I understand. I wonder how this change in directors will cost Disney.
 
And if he can salvage this bantha turd and turn it into something watchable it'll have been worth the price to hire Opie.
 
Ithekro said:
It will cost them the bill to hire Ron Howard and any extra hours spent finishing the film.
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Yup, and just for the sake of context: that they did this at all says they believe this extra cost is considerably less than what they think they'd loose if they put L&M's version of the film in theatres.

I'll be honest, that they think this movie is that toxic (financially speaking) just makes me more curious to see what they were trying to do.
 
Oh, I never clicked it. I'm not reading every crap link that shows up. I just know Ron Howard's projects are usually solid or golden and if anyone can jump in and rescue an endangered project it's a director like Howard.
 
So how will the director credits for this end up? Will it just be Ron Howard, or will they still have credit Lord and Miller since it sounds like the majority of the footage will still be stuff they shot?
 
I'd assume all three will get credited. It's probably unusual for a movie to have three directors listed, but it's even more unusual for director(s) to not get a credit at all.
 
Depends on how it turns out probably. Lord and Miller might just ask to be Smithee'd in the credits, or all three of them could for that matter. At this point it seems like it is much more Kasdan's film than any of theirs and were it not for various union rules he most likely would have been the one finishing it up.
 
JD said:
So how will the director credits for this end up? Will it just be Ron Howard, or will they still have credit Lord and Miller since it sounds like the majority of the footage will still be stuff they shot?
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Directors Guild rules state there can only be one credited Director. Two directors can be credited, but only if they normally work/direct as a duo. At best, Lord and Miller might get a unit director nod or perhaps a producers credit. This will probably be negotiated with the Union, Studio and parties involved before the first screenings and advertising campaign.

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Am I the only one who thinks they should have allowed Lord and Miller to make the movie they wanted to make? I mean if you hire them because you think they have talent or a vision shouldn't you trust them? Do people want movies to be like tv where the director has no real influence in many cases?

Jason
 
I don't think they should have. They were hired to make a specific movie, and if they couldn't deliver it then they got what they deserved.
These kinds of movies are basically work for hire for the directors, and in those kinds of situations you should make what you were hired to make.
 
JD said:
I don't think they should have. They were hired to make a specific movie, and if they couldn't deliver it then they got what they deserved.
These kinds of movies are basically work for hire for the directors, and in those kinds of situations you should make what you were hired to make.
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I would have loved to seen the sales pitch. I wonder how many specifics were given to them were they were hired. I could see a studio maybe saying, We want a young Han Solo movie that also has Lando and the Millinuim Falcon in it, and that being the only requirements.

I wonder if they would have even taken the job if they felt like the studio was going to micro manage them, or if the studio was honest to them as to how much interfering they might be doing.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
I would have loved to seen the sales pitch. I wonder how many specifics were given to them were they were hired. I could see a studio maybe saying, We want a young Han Solo movie that also has Lando and the Millinuim Falcon in it, and that being the only requirements.
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I have a feeling it was probably a lot more detailed than that. I wouldn't be surprised if the producers of these movies already have at least a basic story and style in mind as soon as they decide they want to do it.
So they probably went into this knowing what specific points of Han's life they wanted to see in the movie before they even had a script or directors.
 
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