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Screening report from chud.com

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Today I and about 400 other journalist types gathered at the Paramount lot in Hollywood to see (what I assume is) the final leg of the JJ Abrams Star Trek roadshow.

First up, you should know that I've been skeptical about this film for a little while now. Some of the Paramount PR reps called it 'being mean,' but I feel that I've just been honest. And I've tried to avoid being too nit-picky. At least I like to think that I've avoided this - my concerns about the film aren't about getting costumes or designs right (although I do think that the Enterprise redesign appears to be kind of clunky) but rather things like tone and intentionality. To me the details are superficial, and I'll roll with changes to canon as long as the characters feel right and the tone of the original series is kept intact.

Second, it's important to keep in mind that twenty minutes of footage do not a movie make. There could be 100 other amazing or terrible minutes still waiting to be seen, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the final quality of the film. I am only reporting back to you my impressions of what we were shown, mixed in with aspects of what I know about the film from other sources, be they official or otherwise. Impressions that I have gotten from this footage and other sources may be totally wrong, and I could find myself ashamed at the conclusions to which I jumped when I see the finished film next summer. In fact, I hope that the finished film blows me away, because I want nothing more than to have a vital, exciting and commercially viable Star Trek franchise in theaters again.

Third, I'm giving it all a pass on continuity. The film busts established continuity wide open just from the concept - in the classic original series episode Balance of Terror it's established no one in the Federation has ever seen a Romulan, which seems weird when Kirk himself is up against them in this, his first mission - and it plays fast and loose from there. I believe that in the end this won't be an issue, and there are even indications in the twenty minutes of footage that what we're seeing was not in the original continuity (time traveling Old Spock is surprised to run into Scotty at one point, which seems to mean that in his timeline Scotty wasn't on the Enterprise at this time).

The footage we were shown today did not live up to my worst nightmares, but it also did not do much to change my mind about what JJ is doing with this franchise. Reading some of the reports from other journalists, I was horrified by a few of the details - Kirk grabbing Uhura's tits in a bar fight, atrocious jokes that read like lead on paper - but most of the things I hated from those reports are fleeting. Unfortunately, they also tend to accumulate. There's a lot of humor in the footage we saw. Some of it - like almost every line Simon Pegg delivers as Scotty, or Karl Urban's character work as Bones - works. But other bits are cheap, silly slapstick that makes the cheesiest stuff in The Voyage Home play like Oscar Wilde.

Again, it's hard to judge the movie based on just these scenes - maybe all the worst gags and one-liners happened to be in these twenty minutes - but something tells me that these characters are going to be about endless 'snappy' banter that's never funny and barely counts as dialogue. This is what screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman bring to all the material they write - terrible, tortured dialogue. They're blockbuster blueprinters, not real writers, and having them on this film is probably the greatest strike against it. Orci and Kurtzman remain the kind of screenwriters people praise for their structure. They don't write real characters or real situations, and nothing in the footage I saw today indicates that this project brought out anything special.

The thing that most exemplified the lazy writing of Orci and Kurtzman for me was the fact that the Enterprise is shown being built in the middle of a field in Iowa. And it's not just the shipyard that's in Kirk's backyard - so is Starfleet Academy, it seems. Now, maybe all of Starfleet was moved to Iowa in honor of Kirk's late father, killed on the day of our hero's birth by the time-traveling Romulans, but more likely it's there so that Orci and Kurtzman can have Kirk do a Tom Cruise in Top Gun scene where, filled with angst and uncertainty, he drives his motorcycle up to the ship. Whatever 'reason' is given in the movie for having the shipyard in Iowa, the real reason is this shot and the fact that these writers couldn't be bothered to find another way to have Kirk meet the ship (which we don't even need anyway). Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think scripts should bend to meet the demands of characters and story, not cool shots.

I keep getting hung up on the ship in the field because it's so simply dumb. You wouldn't build a battleship in New Mexico, and you wouldn't build a starship on the ground. That ship is not designed to be launched, and I have to wonder if the neck and the nacelle arms would even be load-bearing in Earth gravity. This indicates to me the film isn't being approached as science fiction but as space opera. Rather than being based on scientific concepts of any sort, no matter how wacky or far-fetched, JJ Abrams' Star Trek seems to be on the Star Wars wavelength, which is fantasy dressed up in science fiction clothes. Another writer noted that Star Trek sent many people to careers in NASA, while Star Wars hasn't. To me there's an honor in Star Trek's science fiction background that is lost when you turn it into space fantasy.

But it really isn't science fiction that'll make the movie work, and no matter how banal Orci and Kurtzman's John McClane with a head injury banter is, it isn't the script that will provide the magic spark that could turn this film into real Star Trek. It's the cast, and their chemistry, that will do that. The good news: Karl Urban is an inspired choice to play Bones. He's just amazing, capturing the crotchety aspects of DeForrest Kelly's performances without doing anything approximating an impersonation. Simon Pegg is great as Scotty, despite this character being written in a way that doesn't at all remind me of the original character. Bruce Greenwood is phenomenal in the few moments he's on screen in this footage, and it's not hard to imagine (and really want) a new Star Trek TV series about the adventures of the Enterprise under Captain Pike. John Cho and Zoe Saldana seem serviceable to good, based on what little I saw. The biggest embarrasment looks to be Anton Yelchin as Chekov. You know you're in trouble when he's introduced as 'that Russian whiz kid' (oh Orci and Kurtzman! Billy Wilder gnaws his fist in ghostly envy), but Yelchin's accent plays like a big, unfunny joke. There's even a gratuitious nod to the 'nuclear wessels' bit in Star Trek IV. I'm really hoping that Chekov has very limited screen time.
Which brings us to the big two (we didn't see enough of Eric Bana as Nero to make any sort of judgment, except that Romulan styles have changed since I last checked in on them). Chris Pine makes a fine enough movie lead, but there wasn't a single moment where I found him Kirk-y. That said, I'm withholding all judgment until I see the full film, if only because Pine has enough charisma and presence to make up for the fact that he's not playing the character 'right.' And who knows, maybe the whole film is the process of getting Kirk to be something like the character I know from the original series.

I won't withhold judgment against Zachary Quinto, though, who is simply terrible in the role of Spock. I couldn't help but feel that Chevy Chase did a better Spock on Saturday Night Live that Quinto does here. That's taking into account that his version of Spock may be informed by The Cage, the unaired pilot where a young Spock is portrayed as much more emotional and brash (for the record, I don't think it's informed by that at all). Quinto is simply not a very good actor, and having the real Spock in another scene as a comparison point does him no favors.

There are elements in these actors that could prove to be the saving grace of the film, although I'm deeply troubled by the sheer awfulness on display in Quinto's scenes in these 20 minutes of footage.

There's another problem I'm going to have with the movie that seems to be upheld by the footage I saw; in the course of the twenty minutes Bones gets promoted to Chief Medical Officer and Uhura takes over the communications station. I imagine Scotty will wind up running the engine room and, by the finale, we'll have the 'original crew' in place, defeating Nero and working together as the well-oiled team we know from the original series. I really, really hate this. It speaks to a streak of Joseph Cambell-ian myth-making that remains the dominant form of storytelling in our fantastical films. One of the great things about Trek is that these were people who were just assigned together, not folks whose destinies were inextricably linked. If Abrams really wanted to get the original crew in their traditional spots, he probably should have told a story about James Kirk taking over the Enterprise, not a hybrid Starfleet Academy story.
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What makes all of this most baffling is the extent of fan service in the film. Rather than just restart the series, Abrams and his writers concoct a time travel story that forces us to place this movie in the context of what has gone before. This isn't like retaining Judi Dench as M when rebooting James Bond in Casino Royale, this is more like having Judi Dench tell Daniel Craig that the last Bond died in action or something. And that aspect of fan service is only compounded by what looks to be a number of winks in the fans' direction with references to the movies and TV show (Sulu seems to fight a Romulan with a sword only because of his famous sword escapades in Naked Time). This is a movie serving two masters, and I wonder why it bothers. There's no way you're going to make nerds like me totally happy - Trek fans are the original detail-oriented nit-pickers - unless you do it right. Not correctly, but right. Abrams should have jettisoned all concerns about continuity and what came before and taken the concept of Star Trek and the characters and done them anew, but right. How Batman Begins did it. How Casino Royale did it. How Superman Returns didn't do it.
Maybe I'm holding JJ Abrams' film up to high standards. That's not a bad thing - why do we expect to just lay down and let every summer blockbuster steamroll over us? Star Trek, at its best, is smarter and more satisfying than that, and there's no reason to expect that Abrams would be doing the same with his movie. There was a lot that was right in what I saw on the Paramount lot - this is going to be the best looking Star Trek film ever, for instance - but there was also stuff that raises an eyebrow. Loud, dumb and fun is fine for Transformers or Mission: Impossible. I'm hoping for something more from Star Trek. And whatever else I see between now and the first press screening of the finished film, I'll be sitting in my seat with an open mind, hoping for nothing but the best
I can't recall if it is ok to post an article in this fashion, so if the mods deem otherwise here is a link: http://chud.com/articles/articles/17106/1/STAR-TREK-FOOTAGE-THE-WRATH-OF-CHUD/Page1.html

I posted it because I thought it was well-written, I agree with it, and I think it echoes the reservations of many here. Abrams has stated several times that Star Trek needs to be more like Star Wars, which makes little sense to me becuase Star Trek has always differentiated itself from Star Wars just as Devin articulates here. I'm very disturbed about his comments on Quinto. If new Star Trek is going to work on any level then Quinto has to be spot on the portrayal of Spock.

I also agree with his assessment that this "half-in/half-out, we're not rebooting but we are messing with it" plan was the wrong way to go. They should have either been committed to being true to TOS or just completely reinvented it. Their way has resulted in things like uniforms that look great, but a bridge and ship that only superficially resemble the originals and barely could be considered precursors to the movie versions. If the same problems can be said of the characters then we could have a very empty film here.

I'm going to walk in with an open mind, but the sigs are very mixed so far, in my opinion.
 
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I said it the other day.

I'm still going to see it in May, and will likely have six months to decide if I'm going to burn the DVD after buying it.

I still believe with all my heart that if he'd really wanted to, JJ could have done a fine film and kept in strict line with existing continuity. Even if he'd changed the ship no more than he's changed the uniforms, that wouldn't have been bad, but changing the visual elements so much and then altering the timeline too...

Don't do that and then tell me "It's just a story in the already existing timeline".

It's isn't, and they LIED.
 
The comments are the most interesting bit - they are spilt between em.. interested parties going "of course it wouldn't be built on earth" and people who don't watch star trek going "what THE fuck are you people on about?"

Wow, this is an odd review, the amount of time spent on "built on earth" is strange.it's a ship that goes faster than light in a film featuring time travel - who cares ? Do all trekkers (that's the right word in't it) get so hung up on such stuff? no wonder they get called nerds. I can see why the studio wants to attract a mainstream audience if the fans get so fixated on stuff like that. The trailer looks interesting - this is the first trek film I'm going to be paying to see.
 
Translating the above-

"What we want is viewers who are too stupid to say 'Wait...that doesn't make any sense' and will swallow whatever we dish out mindlessly, not giving it a moment's thought."
 
Wow, this is an odd review, the amount of time spent on "built on earth" is strange.it's a ship that goes faster than light in a film featuring time travel - who cares ?

It's important for two reasons:

One, it indicates a disregard for Trek canon. That's important to some, not to others.

Two, it indicates poor thinking both in the real world and the movie. Manufacturing the components of the ship on a planet surface makes sense. Assembling a huge ship on the ground that is never meant for ground take-off makes little sense. More trouble than it is worth unless you simply want a scene in a movie where a young hot-shot drives up the the assembly site.
 
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No point explaining it to me - it's a quote not my words. [Attribution corrected. - M']


Having said that - I don't fucking care either !


 
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Thanks for posting that AB. It's funny how that review gives me even more trepidations about the movie, but at the same time ups my curiosity factor. What I'm hearing about Pegg and Urban really draws my interest, but the movie itself, I'm thinking it would otherwise be a pass for me.

What to do, what to do. :lol:
 
I can't recall if it is ok to post an article in this fashion, so if the mods deem otherwise here is a link: http://chud.com/articles/articles/17106/1/STAR-TREK-FOOTAGE-THE-WRATH-OF-CHUD/Page1.html

I posted it because I thought it was well-written, I agree with it, and I think it echoes the reservations of many here.
Those are all good reasons. However, we discourage people from reposting complete articles for a couple of reasons. For one, it deprives the site from which the article was taken of advertising revenues generated by page-views, similar to those which help keep this BBS up and running. Second, it's a borderline copyright violation to which we'd rather not be party.

What you should do is cite portions of or highlights from the article and offer some comments or remarks of your own, and then provide a link to the complete article for those who wish to read further. That keeps everyone happy.

I'll give you some time to make edits of your own choosing. If, after a reasonable amount of time (by my judgement, naturally ;) ) has passed, such edits have not yet been made, I'll cut what's posted here down to a few paragraphs and leave the link intact for people who want to read the rest.
 
Two, it indicates poor thinking both in the real world and the movie. Manufacturing the components of the ship on a planet surface makes sense. Assembling a huge ship on the ground that is never meant for ground take-off makes little sense. More trouble than it is worth unless you simply want a scene in a movie where a young hot-shot drives up the the assembly site.

Or, you know, maybe they just put it on the ground to better emphasize the sheer, immense SCALE of the ship. I'm a big science nerd, but I can still understand the appeal in seeing what the Enterprise would look like sitting on the ground. I'm sure Abrams and the writers felt the same way.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time Trek took some liberty with the science for dramatic effect (sound in space anyone?).

I just find it hilarious that fans have no trouble accepting transporter technology, but the idea of building a starship on Earth is the most ridiculous, farfetched thing they've ever heard of! :lol:
 
I knew the CHUD guy would say something negative, he has not liked the concept since Day 1. As I was reading the article however I did find myself agreeing with his concerns about the story.

I really wish the bullshit about the ship being built on Earths surface would die though, I am sick of it. I wish they would have built it in space to shut the mothafuckers up.

I can live with the gags after witnessing the lame attempts at humour during Insurrection and Nemesis.

As for Kirk etc being promoted to Captain in the space of a week? Yes its plain stupid, but maybe there is a good reason for it. We aint seen the frakking movie yet!

I just watched Nemesis, I am certain it will be an improvement on that. I am happy. Bring on May 09.
 
Double hard return. How hard is it?

See? Easy?

There did it again.

Breaks things up.

Makes it easy to read.

Big block of text?

Not so much.
 
Two, it indicates poor thinking both in the real world and the movie. Manufacturing the components of the ship on a planet surface makes sense. Assembling a huge ship on the ground that is never meant for ground take-off makes little sense. More trouble than it is worth unless you simply want a scene in a movie where a young hot-shot drives up the the assembly site.

Or, you know, maybe they just put it on the ground to better emphasize the sheer, immense SCALE of the ship. I'm a big science nerd, but I can still understand the appeal in seeing what the Enterprise would look like sitting on the ground. I'm sure Abrams and the writers felt the same way.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time Trek took some liberty with the science for dramatic effect (sound in space anyone?).

I just find it hilarious that fans have no trouble accepting transporter technology, but the idea of building a starship on Earth is the most ridiculous, farfetched thing they've ever heard of! :lol:

I completely agree.
 
One, it indicates a disregard for Trek canon. That's important to some, not to others.

You're right. I don't care.

This guy clearly does. Too many of his complaints are based on issues of orthodoxy to be important, and some of them are clearly personally directed at some of the filmmakers.

If fan approval of the trailer is running 80 to 20 percent in favor, the responses of people who've seen this presentation are running something like 95% in favor - with the most approval from casual or non-fans and the few whinging reviews coming from the hard core.

But really, does it make a difference? No. This is the only "Star Trek" we're getting, and in May it will either succeed or fail. If it fails, no more Trek. If it succeeds, Trek will be permanently changed.

In either event, we will abide by our forum's motto in the meantime. :cool:

Oh, and I'm pretty sure it's against the rules here to copy and paste an entire article belonging to writers on another site. An excerpt and a link are permitted.
 
I can't recall if it is ok to post an article in this fashion, so if the mods deem otherwise here is a link: http://chud.com/articles/articles/17106/1/STAR-TREK-FOOTAGE-THE-WRATH-OF-CHUD/Page1.html

I posted it because I thought it was well-written, I agree with it, and I think it echoes the reservations of many here.
Those are all good reasons. However, we discourage people from reposting complete articles for a couple of reasons. For one, it deprives the site from which the article was taken of advertising revenues generated by page-views, similar to those which help keep this BBS up and running. Second, it's a borderline copyright violation to which we'd rather not be party.

What you should do is cite portions of or highlights from the article and offer some comments or remarks of your own, and then provide a link to the complete article for those who wish to read further. That keeps everyone happy.

I'll give you some time to make edits of your own choosing. If, after a reasonable amount of time (by my judgement, naturally ;) ) has passed, such edits have not yet been made, I'll cut what's posted here down to a few paragraphs and leave the link intact for people who want to read the rest.

Understood. Thanks for the leeway, M'Sharak. I'll go back and trim it down.
 
Double hard return. How hard is it?

See? Easy?

There did it again.

Breaks things up.

Makes it easy to read.

Big block of text?

Not so much.

Damnit in the text box it looks more BLOCKY to me, so shove the return key up your ass!!! :devil:
 
I could give a shit about the ship being built in Iowa - like where on Earth matters for a spaceship - or on Earth at all.

But the concerns about acting, character and story are what I feared after giving the trailer a little contemplation. Especially the Star Warsian aspect of all these people meeting each other so early and instantly coming together as a team. It's not so much about canon violation as it is that I simply liked the tone of a group of mature professionals assigned to a ship being forged into the "greatest crew in Starfleet" through their many experiences together. A bunch of quippy young adults magically gelling into a kick ass crew just sounds, well, as he said, not smart and not satisfying.

May still go see it anyway, just to enjoy Karl Urban as McCoy. Or maybe a trailer that's actually a trailer rather than a teaser will change my mind.
 
I could give a shit about the ship being built in Iowa - like where on Earth matters for a spaceship - or on Earth at all.

The sign at the back of the ship all series long that said "San Francisco, Earth" cares.

No such sign existed.

It couldn't "care" if it had. It's a sign.

There was a sign - never readable onscreen - that said "San Francisco, Calif."

Didn't say a thing about being constructed in whole or part there.

Sure as hell didn't say anything about "orbital construction."

We're done here.
 
The author, Devin Faraci, sounds like a bit of a whiner. I don't think he'd be happy with anything. :lol:
 
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