Why don't we have this conversation at a rape crisis center? We'll see how academic it remains when people who live it every day, and that's all women, get a chance to speak their own thoughts on the subject. For the record, I didn't call you a monster, but I made absolutely certain your words were clearly stated so that it was understood from where you had drawn your opinions.
All rape is violent, because all rape is a violation of personhood.
That's a distinction without a difference, for Christ's sake! Forced consent is not in any form willing consent and only the most cognitively dissonant would conflate the two at all.
Excuse me, are you saying that those who get sex through non-physical coercion should have the same sentence for someone who has violently beaten a woman?
And, as reported in the extract of the book that I posted, in some jurisdiction are two distinct crimes.
But because I stuck with the dictionary definition and I said that what the sailor did is heinous as rape and the woman suffered the same consequences, I'm targeted as a friend of rapists . Great.
If the woman did not consent of her own free will, without coercion? Yes.
So physical violence is not an aggravating factor? If a man blackmail a woman to have sex against her will and a man that rape and beat a woman leaving her within an inch of life must have the same sentence?
I guess in here you're not making a legal argument or arguing semantics, the point is the moral argument. Morally he waited until she was in a situation where her choices were have sex with him or (be thrown overboard) be with no way forward or back. Taking her choice for consent away, now that may not be the dictionary definition but morally he left her no choice and therefore raped her.
What I'm saying is that the moment coerced sex begins, it is rape. Anything else can be added to it, but I'm not going to say "this rape is worse than this rape," because all rape is horrendous, and it is wrong. You may draw distinctions that a woman would not care one whit about as it is happening to her, but I prefer to stop cold on the knowledge that a violation of someone's body, in a sexual manner and without their explicit and freely given consent, is rape.
Don't fucking care, and most especially, neither would the person RAPED.
It's like an extended version of "well, actually."
Or Brock Turner's dad. 'Heck, it was just 20 minutes of action, jeeze!'
I mean, it's not like "rape rape," you know?
You're not being insulted, and you're not being compared to anything. We are, however, taking the statements made and comparing those to statements that have been made regarding definitions of rape according to different people aside from the actual victims. That is an important distinction here.
This whole thing just sounds like an old #6.
Indeed it does.
In a case that was CLEARLY A RAPE. And the statements were made to obtain a lighter sentence.
