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Sci Fantasy or do you want Sci Fi?

I think it is related to a story by Asimov. How closely related, I don't know though.
I don't think it's related to Asimov at all. Many people think of it as "High Noon" in space. Hyams is on record as wanting to do a Western, but had to set it in space to get it made.
 
But I never disagreed with that. Like I said, Star Wars is a space opera (or epic "sci-fantasy"), 2001: A Space Odyssey is hard sci-fi, another subgenre of science fiction, Blade Runner is cyberpunk, another subgenre, Starship Troopers is military sci-fi, and so on and so on.
I just found it odd that you assigned Star Trek the "science fiction" as if it was separate thing. Trek plays in the Space Opera sub-genre too.
 
Did you see that movie? It has nothing to do with a comic book adaptation. It's rather deep actually. It's about people that are immortal but have only one wish, which is to die. They can't die because they've built a machine that keeps them alive and they voluntarily removed the information about how the machine works from their memory. They've lived too long and want desperately to die but the machine won't let them.

:guffaw:You obviously (a) didn't bother to read about DC's Vartox and of course (b) missed the joke completely.

I think it is related to a story by Asimov. How closely related, I don't know though.

Nope. It was an original script by Peter Hyams. Alan Dean Foster did write the novelization though.
 
Well, it looks like a satire of some kind but other than the character looking like Sean Connery, I didn't see any resemblance with the story. What is the joke that I missed?
That's all there is. The character's appearance is based on that of Connery in the film.
 
Well, it looks like a satire of some kind but other than the character looking like Sean Connery, I didn't see any resemblance with the story. What is the joke that I missed?

Zardoz and Vartox:
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Or is it Vardoz and Zartox? :lol:

I just found it odd that you assigned Star Trek the "science fiction" as if it was separate thing. Trek plays in the Space Opera sub-genre too.

I wouldn't characterize Star Trek as space opera. It doesn't rely much on futuristic swashbuckling. For me Star Trek is soft science fiction as it uses it's sci-fi elements to explore sociological issues. Nothing is set on stone though, that's just my interpretation of the subgenres. Feel free to make your own.
 
I wouldn't characterize Star Trek as space opera. It doesn't rely much on futuristic swashbuckling. For me Star Trek is soft science fiction as it uses it's sci-fi elements to explore sociological issues. Nothing is set on stone though, that's just my interpretation of the subgenres. Feel free to make your own.
It's not pure Space Opera on the level of Star Wars, but it dips in on occasion. The films more so than the TV shows. Part of the beauty of Star Trek, especially TOS, is that it's comfortable in many SF sub-genres. It doesn't have to be just one.
 
It's not pure Space Opera on the level of Star Wars, but it dips in on occasion. The films more so than the TV shows. Part of the beauty of Star Trek, especially TOS, is that it's comfortable in many SF sub-genres. It doesn't have to be just one.

That's true. With different planets, cultures, timelines, galaxies, dimensions, time traveling, holodeck adventures, and about 726 episodes and 13 movies Star Trek has done it all! Which of course leads us to the original question. What do we prefer, space opera, science fantasy, soft science fiction, hard science fiction? And what should Discovery be/have?
 
That's true. With different planets, cultures, timelines, galaxies, dimensions, time traveling, holodeck adventures, and about 726 episodes and 13 movies Star Trek has done it all! Which of course leads us to the original question. What do we prefer, space opera, science fantasy, soft science fiction, hard science fiction? And what should Discovery be/have?
I like them all. So what ever it is, I'll be happy. I suspect, since we're looking at a arc based season, there will be a single "tone". The next season might be different,
 
That's all there is. The character's appearance is based on that of Connery in the film.

Zardoz wasn't the name of Sean Connery in the film. It was a contraction of Wizard Of Oz and the name of the big floating stone head that went around collecting goods for the immortals.
 
Zardoz wasn't the name of Sean Connery in the film. It was a contraction of Wizard Of Oz and the name of the big floating stone head that went around collecting goods for the immortals.

Sean Connery's name in the film is Zed. Zardoz comes from the phrase the "Wizard of Oz". DC's Vartox is named after "The Vortex" where the immortal Eternals (from Zardoz) live.

I'd be curious to know what you guys think of Zardoz with Sean Connery. It's obviously science fiction but what kind of sci. fi. would you say it is?

I consider Zardoz (1974) to be a post-apocalyptic science fantasy film.

I like them all. So what ever it is, I'll be happy. I suspect, since we're looking at a arc based season, there will be a single "tone". The next season might be different,

Agreed. The 13 episode arc (based on "Balance of Terror") probably won't allow for many '30s Gangster or Wild West episodes! ;)
I suspect Discovery will be soft science fiction with many military science fiction elements.
 
You quoted my post. Usually that means you're responding to something I wrote. From what I can tell, you could have made your post without the quote since there's no connection.

You were talking about the pastiche and my comment was about it. So it was related to your post, though not directly.
 
Not related enough to justify the quote.

It is. The parody you were talking about mixed the name of Sean Connery's character and that of the giant head. And that was the link you were talking about. I made you aware that that link was even flimsier than it seemed.
 
It is. The parody you were talking about mixed the name of Sean Connery's character and that of the giant head. And that was the link you were talking about. I made you aware that that link was even flimsier than it seemed.
All I mentioned was his appearance. Said nothing about the name. So no connection between what I said and your response.
 
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