Sci Fantasy or do you want Sci Fi?

[Nerys Myk]

I would class the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet ideas as fantasy.

Perhaps, if like Roman World and Miri's World, they appeared spontaneously without explanation. But both the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet are cases of cultural contamination. Perhaps taken to the extreme, but there's some thought behind it. ( even if the first thought was "what's available in wardrobe and props?" )

 

[locutus101]

I would class the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet ideas as fantasy.

Definitely no more than fantasy because the more you think about it the less sense it makes.

 

[BillJ]

I would class the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet ideas as fantasy.

I would classify the Edo planet and Risa as the same. Gene's sex fantasies brought to life.

 

[locutus101]

I would classify the Edo planet and Risa as the same. Gene's sex fantasies brought to life.

Some fantasy! The only punishment is death!

 

[BillJ]

Some fantasy! The only punishment is death!

Just a macguffin. If it had been up to Gene, we would've had 48 minutes of tits bouncing, and that would've been it.

 

[locutus101]

Just a macguffin. If it had been up to Gene, we would've had 48 minutes of tits bouncing, and that would've been it.

It kinda feels like hitler's aryan planet.

 

[Spot261]

Dunno what you are even talking about, it's not like "something actually Sci Fi"

Stories showing and driven by real science, which has never been Star Trek. To be honest Im pretty glad to see how many people sem to agree with my view that ST isn't really sci fi at all except in the loosest interpretation.

And no, I'm quite happy with that and getting my hard sf elsewhere.

Though I do still rate TMP as the best film installment

 

[BillJ]

Stories showing and driven by real science, which has never been Star Trek. To be honest Im pretty glad to see how many people sem to agree with my view that ST isn't really sci fi at all except in the loosest interpretation.

I think it bounced around, between soft sci-fi and science fantasy. There's not much I would consider hard sci-fi.

And no, I'm quite happy with that and getting my hard sf elsewhere.

Same here. Though I wish there were more in the way of hard sci-fi TV and movies. It is pretty scarce.

Though I do still rate TMP as the best film installment

 

[Stewey]

I would class the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet ideas as fantasy.

I don't think it is boyond the realms of possibility, a single planet wide government is certainly possible and that can open up the possibility of a single ideology ruling over the population of an entire planet of inhabitants.

 

[jaime]

I would class the Gangster Planet and Nazi Planet ideas as fantasy.

You'd think. But it's no more of a fantasy than whole culture basing themselves on an image of ancient Rome or Greece, or the interpretations of reading a given religious text, the architecture etc...as shown in both the Renaissance and Nazi Germany, or as is happening in the middle east. Or on a smaller scale, as happens when we all dress up as klingons.
Yes the show exaggerated, but that's sort of how star trek works.
Now we can argue if sociology is a science, but it's not really fantastical. Same for Miri or the Roman planet...that was couched in a very 1960s theory around how paralleled development or parallel world's work, and again, it's something you see at work here on earth.

 

[jaime]

I would classify the Edo planet and Risa as the same. Gene's sex fantasies brought to life.

You have clearly never been to Ibiza, or by some accounts, Rip and New Orleans at certain times of year. Risa mainly needed Djs and house music. Something the Devs added in Sto.

 

[BillJ]

You have clearly never been to Ibiza, or by some accounts, Rip and New Orleans at certain times of year. Risa mainly needed Djs and house music. Something the Devs added in Sto.

A whole planet where people do nothing more than screw? That's fantasy.

 

[jaime]

A whole planet where people do nothing more than screw? That's fantasy.

Someone has to run the gift shops. Apart from that Risa just looks like Hedonism or one of those resorts. Whole islands where the economy is basically about satisfying Base desires and getting bad tattoos.

 

[locutus101]

A whole planet where people do nothing more than screw? That's fantasy.

No more than a whole city where people do nothing more than gamble. At a galactic scale you get whole planets instead of whole cities. It makes sense.

 

[Brainsucker]

So I'm as excited as the next guy and I'm sure I'll just kick myself and be disappointed but do you people still want basically what is sci fantasy, ie exciting adventures often with some moral baked in there taking place not on earth or are we ready for something actually Sci Fi this time? Finding huge sattelite civilizations, ancient aliens who's been here since the dawn of time, mysterious objects or aliens that might have evolved humans, or are we happy with ridged forehead of the week who has problems with another ridged alien forehead. Do you prefer Arthur C Clark Trek or the same old?

I know I'm in the minority but i actually adored TMP for how close it was to actual Sci Fi and I hope Discovery can take a chance and at least spend a double parter on something much more Sci Fi then your average Trek.

It's too late for Sci-Fi now. Star Trek has become a sci-fantasy for long time. Because the science part of the Star Trek has been considered obsolete for today sci-fi standard. Look at "Gravity". How can you still consider Star Trek as sci-fi when you have watch a movie like Gravity? Unless Star Trek erase all previous tech canon and start from the start that use today sci-fi standard in their mind.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Personally I consider Star Wars to be sci-fantasy, Star Trek sci-fi and 2001 and Interstellar as hard sci-fi, but your mileage may vary of course.

 

[jaime]

It's too late for Sci-Fi now. Star Trek has become a sci-fantasy for long time. Because the science part of the Star Trek has been considered obsolete for today sci-fi standard. Look at "Gravity". How can you still consider Star Trek as sci-fi when you have watch a movie like Gravity? Unless Star Trek erase all previous tech canon and start from the start that use today sci-fi standard in their mind.

Erm. There's no science in Gravity that isn't also in Star Trek....I mean Star Trek respects stuff like gravity, vacuum, and atmosphere. I mean I like Gravity, and it's a fine disaster movie in space, but it's only really science fiction in the terms of being a story that isn't real and features some science. There's no extrapolation down the line or such like. You could have an almost identical film and set it about twenty years ago and it would be more or less the same. The Martian (film OK book better) is a better example of Hard SF on the screen, but I don't think it's more SCi Fi than Star Trek. Star Trek is two or three hundred years in the future, the difference between a pre industrial and post industrial society...the biggest problem some people have in some areas is that they don't feel Trek is 'fantastic' enough. I.e some of the made up tech isn't advanced enough.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Personally I consider Star Wars to be sci-fantasy, Star Trek sci-fi and 2001 and Interstellar as hard sci-fi, but your mileage may vary of course.

Aren't all three science fiction, just different types?

 

[locutus101]

Aren't all three science fiction, just different types?

Sometimes Science fiction is kind of a misnomer because it has very little to do with science.

 

[jaime]

Aren't all three science fiction, just different types?

Star Wars wears sci fi clothes...but there's no science being explained or used, and it's very nature of not being in our future denies any use of things like droids or spaceships as extrapolation.