That, or they stripped her of command but didn't want the public outcry that would accompany putting a hero in prison. So they promoted her to a desk.
Scenes that make you cringe....
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That, or they stripped her of command but didn't want the public outcry that would accompany putting a hero in prison. So they promoted her to a desk.
That, or they stripped her of command but didn't want the public outcry that would accompany putting a hero in prison. So they promoted her to a desk.
Come to think of it.... that time Picard was offered a promotion to Admiral if he'd accept the position of Commander of Starfleet Academy?
Happened after a sequence in which one week the Bynars managed to hijack the Enterprise under his command (although they managed to get the ship back), the next week a hostage situation nearly spirals out of control, the week after that all children are kidnapped from the Enterprise (although they get them back, too), and finally, the week after that Picard nearly starts a war with sentient crystals .... No wonder they are under investigation yet another week later and Picard is offered a promotion to get him away from the Enterprise
(I know, that's not exactly a fair representation but misrepresenting is half the fun).
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I think I did an analysis on the "worst things Janeway ever did".
Some of them (making B'Elanna chief engineer, not promoting Harry Kim) were personnel decisions, hers to make.
Others (splitting Tuvix) were actions that probably had no legal precedent, so Janeway couldn't really be charged for them.
Some, however (the Equinox, the Borg) were actually pretty questionable. However, Kathryn was on a first-name basis with some high ranking admirals, that might have explained it.
Come to think of it.... that time Picard was offered a promotion to Admiral if he'd accept the position of Commander of Starfleet Academy?
Happened after a sequence in which one week the Bynars managed to hijack the Enterprise under his command (although they managed to get the ship back), the next week a hostage situation nearly spirals out of control, the week after that all children are kidnapped from the Enterprise (although they get them back, too), and finally, the week after that Picard nearly starts a war with sentient crystals .... No wonder they are under investigation yet another week later and Picard is offered a promotion to get him away from the Enterprise
If this had been a "promotion to get this guy off the bridge", I doubt Picard would have been permitted to refuse. And I seriously doubt he'd have been offered a position as influential as Academy Commandant... more likely he'd be counting replicator parts at a starbase somewhere.
It's more that they wanted a strong and capable officer who they saw eye to eye with in a position of high trust.
^Of course, I was only joking. If I wanted to promote Picard (or Janeway) away becauseI thought it wasn't safe with him at the command of the flagship, I certainly wouldn't be making him head of Starfleet Academy, but rather give him a desk job with a seemingly important title where he couldn't do much harm (something like 'Vice admiral- Chief Officer of Strategic Optimization of Administrative Procedures or some such thing)
Indeed.Yet Janeway acted very much like Kirk most of the time.
Perhaps for the other reason - they feel sorry for him and want to throw him a bone? After the kind of year he's had...
"Brain and brain! What is brain?!"
Uhura's song and dance number in Star Trek V. How they got Nichelle to agree to that scene I'll never know. It was embarrassing and degrading, at least in my opinion. Talk about a scene that definitely wouldn't fly today.
Much of Nemesis was pretty cringe. Most of it actually.
Much of Nemesis was pretty cringe. Most of it actually.
Picard yelling as he's gunning down Borg on the holodeck in Star Trek: First Contact looks like a scene cut from 1941.
Also, Troi's inebriation in that film.
Also, Troi's inebriation in that film.
Chakotay as a character. I think the entire conception of the character is cringe worthy, and the entire thing is arguably a case where a show's attempt at diversity now comes off as offensive, and they neutered everything that would add conflict and make him interesting during the pilot.
- I never liked the idea of creating a cultural division within humanity, and making it so pronounced since (to me) it undercuts the very nature of Star Trek. The fact that Native Americans/Indigenous Peoples are shown being disaffected/marginalized by human culture in the 24th century, so much so that they have to go off into deep space, would seem to indicate that United Earth might not be the utopia we think it is.
- The way Voyager handles Indigenous culture leaves a lot to be desired. It's stereotypes mixed with crazy, like revealing Native American culture (or at least Chakotay's made up one) is alien in origin.
- The "expert" who advised the Voyager producers on Chakotay was a total fraud who pretended to be Native American for 30 years.
- Moreover, the entire Maquis backstory for Chakotay becomes useless the second they put him and the other Maquis members in Starfleet uniforms at the end of the pilot episode. They give a character a backstory where his people left Earth because they no longer felt comfortable, they've been abandoned by the Federation to the Cardassians, and he has left Starfleet because of it. That should be the basis for a conflict over whether Starfleet and Federation values are always the "right" ones during their quest back home. But the writers and producers of Voyager were so afraid to have the characters disagree or upstage Janeway, that they could never turn that corner of creating a real division on the ship.
Yeah, really. And the Maquis never looked or acted like Maquis. Short-haired, clean-shaven men, women with neat bobs or buns, no earrings or scary-looking tattoos or battle scars. Just a bunch of random nobodies who stepped off of recruiting posters. Not really convincing as interstellar terrorists.
I would argue that at that point, the Maquis were more freedom fighters than terrorists. Eddington and his plans put them on a massive offensive, which turned the Maquis into real terrorists.
So I can see them not giving the appearance of terrorists, thugs, or criminals. These were more regular people defending their colonies.
So I can see them not giving the appearance of terrorists, thugs, or criminals. These were more regular people defending their colonies.
When the Maquis were introduced on DS9, their first act as a group is blowing up a Cardassian freighter. They then kidnap and attempt to mind rape a Cardassian official (Gul Dukat). And were planning an attack on a Cardassian population center.
They were a terrorist group from the beginning.
I don't give a fat flying you know what whether they were terrorists, freedom fighters, insurgents, renegades, nationalists, guerillas, thugs, muggers, buggerers, outlaws, in-laws, lawbreakers, leg-breakers, or people who thought "Threshold" was a good episode. Whatever bunch of bad citizens they were supposed to be, they looked about as scary as a class of third-graders at a school with a uniform policy.
