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As usual, Sci, your observations are spot-on. :)

- We get confirmation that Michael Eddington is indeed the Galactic Commonwealth's head of government and head of state, rather than just being the presiding officer of the Commonwealth Assembly. (Rise Like Lions left both interpretations open.)

- Following up on that, I find myself wondering what the full formal title of the Chairman is. "Chairman of the Commonwealth Assembly?" "Chairman of the Galactic Commonwealth?" I'm a pedant, I know.

- "Chairman," used as the title for a head of state, always makes me think of Mao, and of how the Chinese head of state's title was translated as "Chairman" rather than "President" for many years. Was there a reason you chose the title of "Chairman" for the Commonwealth, David Mack -- an intention to evoke certain connotations, or was it just that you needed a distinct title that hadn't been used yet?
His title came about because I didn't want another president, but rather a post that implied that he was a "first among equals," someone in an elected post, but in a slightly different system than that used by the Federation.

- The idea of a government consisting of mostly former slaves is fascinating. I find myself wondering about the technical viability of such a society. When the Democratic Republic of the Congo declared independence from Belgium, for instance, it had less than a hundred people who had master's degrees, and I think it's fair to say that a lack of technical expertise and education hurt the DR Congo's ability to form a stable society. The Commonwealth obviously has the advantage of being able to draw upon Memory Omega -- but would it face large-scale problems in organizing civic society if its populace was mostly denied a change at even basic education? Or maybe the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance kept intact the old education infrastructures -- that would make sense, given that Jennifer Sisko was an accomplished scientist, even while still being held in bondage.
That was pretty much my assumption. A civilization as advanced as the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance would have required skilled labor; it also seemed that some former subjects of the Terran Empire who distinguished themselves were allowed to acquire skills and education (Picard, for instance, as an Indiana Jones-type tomb raider for his Cardassian patron).

- There's a reference on page 60 to the Commonwealth having its own Starfleet, a defense and exploration agency. Yet the Commonwealth's fleet seems to be commanded by Memory Omega, so I'm a little confused about the relationship between the Commonwealth Starfleet and Memory Omega. Maybe M.O. has just become the chief branch of the Commonwealth Starfleet?
Admittedly, the command-and-control structure with regard to the jaunt ships and the rest of the Commonwealth Starfleet is … murky. If the agendas of the Assembly and that of Memory Omega were ever to come into conflict, that might be … interesting (in the "Chinese history" sense of the word).

Also, how did Sarina's prior work for Starfleet Intelligence leak to the press? It's gonna be awful hard for her to keep working for S.I. or the FSA if that's public record.
Good question. Maybe Graniv is just really good at her job. Or maybe someone leaked Sarina's past billets as passive-aggressive payback for her suspected involvement in Bashir's scheme. We may never know for certain.

- Julian and Sarina's house seems pretty damn big and luxurious; I wonder if Julian's getting a really, really generous pension from the Andorian government? We know from A Ceremony of Losses that as of October 2385, there was a great deal of poverty and economic inequality on Andor post-Borg Invasion and post-secession. I would hope that rejoining the Federation would restore Andorian economics to a state of general abundance, but it still seems implausible that Bashir could afford such a great house in a world with that kind of poverty just three months later without some help.
Save a species from extinction, get some perks. Also consider that the moment Andor rejoined the Federation, they were eligible for tons of foreign aid — a state of affairs that would only be exaggerated by the election of one of its own as UFP president.

- I really liked the idea that the Founders of the Mirror Universe are just as dedicated to law and order, but aren't egomaniacal fascists bent on conquering all Solids as potential threats. I find myself curious if perhaps their Great Link underwent some kind of social change? The Jem'Hadar and the Vorta still seem to have been genetically engineered to revere the Founders as gods. Perhaps in the past, the Mirror Founders had embraced the kind of fascism that leads to deciding to engineer worshipful slave races, but later on they abandoned this? It would explain why the Mirror Founders don't regard themselves as being above Dominion law, and yet they still have genetically engineered worshippers.
Another interesting note. If I ever revisit the MU in a future novel (something I currently have no plan to do), I may explore this idea.

- The final fate of the Spetzkar company was deliciously ironic. It also nicely explained just how it is that Commonwealth jaunt ships are making their way into the Prime Universe -- they aren't, but this was a predestination paradox. As is often the case, Mack lets loose with some beautiful prose in the midst of his action thrillers: I am become the agent of my people's destruction. I am history's fool. He and Una McCormack should get into a "beautiful prose"-off one day.
I would lose. By a goddamned country mile.

- Speaking of the Spetzkar and the Special Research Division... am I the only one who gets a bit of a Nazi vibe off of some of these names? Non-name brand Nazis can be fun bad guys.
You're half right. "Special Research Division" definitely has that vibe. But the Spetzkar were inspired by the Spetsnaz — the Russian military's special forces.

- Speaking of John le Carré, I'd be lying if I were to say I didn't immediately picture Control as John Hurt.
No comment.

- I find myself skeptical that Control is Sloan, though I wouldn't mind that twist. Personally, I'm with Deranged Nasat -- it's clearly Patrick. :lol:
No comment.

- I love the fact that 13 years after the original Section 31 miniseries foreshadowed a conflict between Our Heroes and the bureau, and laid the groundwork to have each of the captains discover them and work against them, we're finally seeing more movement on that arc. We know from The Good That Men Do seven years ago that Section 31 will be defeated and brought to justice -- but how?
I'm working on it. But until Control comes out … no comment.

- Section 31's position within Starfleet and the UFP reminds me of Hydra's within SHIELD and the United States in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I think this is going to become my go-to comparison the next time someone tries to argue they're a legit part of the Federation government.
An excellent analogy.
 
- Following up on that, I find myself wondering what the full formal title of the Chairman is. "Chairman of the Commonwealth Assembly?" "Chairman of the Galactic Commonwealth?" I'm a pedant, I know.
I like your thinking.

- We get confirmation that Pran, who led the Breen Militia during the final days of the Dominion War, succeeded Brax in March 2384 after the initial Tirana III operation failed. Pran, ironically, now turns out to be responsible for setting the Tirana III operation in mostion. I wonder if he's going to suffer the same fate as his predecessor? The Confederate Congress can't be pleased.
This reminds me. Have the novels ever given an explanation for whatever happened to prime Gor? He disappeared for no reason after "The Changing Face of Evil" and was replaced by Pran. I've always wondered about that.
- The novels finally give us an official name for the Bajoran state! It's the Third Republic of Bajor. The numbering is a bit unusual by real-life standards -- people talk about the Fifth French Republic, for instance, but that's an unofficial name used to differentiate one period of French constitutional organization from another; the name "French Republic" didn't change between the fourth and fifth republics. But, hey, this is an alien species, so their ideas about the identity of the state vs. describing the constitutional arrangements can differ from Humans'.
Note, however, that it was Star Charts that debuted "Third Republic of Bajor".
- There's a reference on page 60 to the Commonwealth having its own Starfleet, a defense and exploration agency. Yet the Commonwealth's fleet seems to be commanded by Memory Omega, so I'm a little confused about the relationship between the Commonwealth Starfleet and Memory Omega. Maybe M.O. has just become the chief branch of the Commonwealth Starfleet?
*shrug* I guess it's like the relationship between prime Klingon Empire's Defense Force and Imperial Intelligence. But more amicable.

I wonder what has become of Mac Calhoun and his crew aboard the second Excalibur. Seems to me that they've got things to do besides become simple space grunts in the mirror Romulan (Imperial Fleet?) military. Running around, though, on a Valdore class ship of the line.

Speaking of relationships, Sci, did you ever wish that previous Mirror Universe novels utilized the term "Terran Resistance Forces" from "The Emperor's New Cloak"? To me it sounds much better as the name of an organization than "Terran Rebellion".
Also, how did Sarina's prior work for Starfleet Intelligence leak to the press? It's gonna be awful hard for her to keep working for S.I. or the FSA if that's public record.
I can think of a lot of real-life people where I live who would take a long time to recognize Edward Snowden.

- Section 31's spying on the Mirror Universe would seem to follow up on the revelation in 2007's The Good That Men Do that the organization knew about the Mirror Universe as far back as 2155.
However the heck did they figure out about alternate quantum realities by 2155 anyway?
- I loved the fact that we get a prominent starship named after something non-Human in the free starship ShiKahr ("FSS ShiKahr?") I wonder what the USS ShiKahr in the Prime Universe is like.
Not sure if the producers meant it, but "Tears of the Prophets" has a Miranda class starship named U.S.S. Shirkahr.
- The description of the jaunt ships as having a ringed engine hull was fascinating. When I first read Rise Like Lions, I had just imagined the free starship Enterprise as being the Mirror Universe's version of a Sovereign-class starship like the Enterprise-E. Reading Disavowed, I found I had a hard time not imagining the jaunt ships as resembling the Suurok-class Vulcan ships from ENT. I wonder how everyone else pictures them?
Alright, now I want the Enterprise on Ships of the Line like U.S.S. Titan and S.S. Enterprise.

And David, did you envision more than one class of jaunt ship in Rise Like Lions? I've wondered if the Enterprise's "sister ships" Intrepid and Courageous as well as the Liberty, Ardent, and possibly Takagi, Uzaveh, and Valiant are literally or only figuratively "sister ships".
- Speaking of John le Carre, I'd be lying if I were to say I didn't immediately picture Control as John Hurt.
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As usual, Sci, your observations are spot-on. :)

Very kind. Thank you!

- "Chairman," used as the title for a head of state, always makes me think of Mao, and of how the Chinese head of state's title was translated as "Chairman" rather than "President" for many years. Was there a reason you chose the title of "Chairman" for the Commonwealth, David Mack -- an intention to evoke certain connotations, or was it just that you needed a distinct title that hadn't been used yet?
His title came about because I didn't want another president, but rather a post that implied that he was a "first among equals," someone in an elected post, but in a slightly different system than that used by the Federation.

Thank you for shedding light on this! I find myself wondering if that means the people of the Commonwealth elect the Assembly and the Assembly elects the Chairman/Chairwoman/Chairperson...

- The idea of a government consisting of mostly former slaves is fascinating. I find myself wondering about the technical viability of such a society. When the Democratic Republic of the Congo declared independence from Belgium, for instance, it had less than a hundred people who had master's degrees, and I think it's fair to say that a lack of technical expertise and education hurt the DR Congo's ability to form a stable society. The Commonwealth obviously has the advantage of being able to draw upon Memory Omega -- but would it face large-scale problems in organizing civic society if its populace was mostly denied a change at even basic education? Or maybe the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance kept intact the old education infrastructures -- that would make sense, given that Jennifer Sisko was an accomplished scientist, even while still being held in bondage.
That was pretty much my assumption. A civilization as advanced as the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance would have required skilled labor; it also seemed that some former subjects of the Terran Empire who distinguished themselves were allowed to acquire skills and education (Picard, for instance, as an Indiana Jones-type tomb raider for his Cardassian patron).

That makes sense. And I suppose in some ways, the Commonwealth would almost certainly have collapsed by now if there hadn't been an educational infrastructure still in place under the Alliance.

Admittedly, the command-and-control structure with regard to the jaunt ships and the rest of the Commonwealth Starfleet is … murky. If the agendas of the Assembly and that of Memory Omega were ever to come into conflict, that might be … interesting (in the "Chinese history" sense of the word).

Hmmmmmmmmm!

- I really liked the idea that the Founders of the Mirror Universe are just as dedicated to law and order, but aren't egomaniacal fascists bent on conquering all Solids as potential threats. I find myself curious if perhaps their Great Link underwent some kind of social change? The Jem'Hadar and the Vorta still seem to have been genetically engineered to revere the Founders as gods. Perhaps in the past, the Mirror Founders had embraced the kind of fascism that leads to deciding to engineer worshipful slave races, but later on they abandoned this? It would explain why the Mirror Founders don't regard themselves as being above Dominion law, and yet they still have genetically engineered worshippers.

Another interesting note. If I ever revisit the MU in a future novel (something I currently have no plan to do), I may explore this idea.

Hmmmmmmmmm! x 2!

As is often the case, Mack lets loose with some beautiful prose in the midst of his action thrillers: I am become the agent of my people's destruction. I am history's fool. He and Una McCormack should get into a "beautiful prose"-off one day.

I would lose. By a goddamned country mile.

But everyone else would win!

- Speaking of the Spetzkar and the Special Research Division... am I the only one who gets a bit of a Nazi vibe off of some of these names? Non-name brand Nazis can be fun bad guys.

You're half right. "Special Research Division" definitely has that vibe. But the Spetzkar were inspired by the Spetsnaz — the Russian military's special forces.

I had never heard of them -- thanks for that link. Though I know that if I click on that link, I'm going to get sucked down the Wikipedia-hole and lose ten hours of my life on that and related articles...

- I love the fact that 13 years after the original Section 31 miniseries foreshadowed a conflict between Our Heroes and the bureau, and laid the groundwork to have each of the captains discover them and work against them, we're finally seeing more movement on that arc. We know from The Good That Men Do seven years ago that Section 31 will be defeated and brought to justice -- but how?
I'm working on it. But until Control comes out … no comment.

Hmmmmmmmmm! x 3!

- Section 31's position within Starfleet and the UFP reminds me of Hydra's within SHIELD and the United States in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I think this is going to become my go-to comparison the next time someone tries to argue they're a legit part of the Federation government.
An excellent analogy.

Thanks! Your final scene there reminded me of the Hydra sequences in CA2 for some reason (and of the World Security Council/Nick Fury scenes in The Avengers), and the analogy just struck me.

- We get confirmation that Pran, who led the Breen Militia during the final days of the Dominion War, succeeded Brax in March 2384 after the initial Tirana III operation failed. Pran, ironically, now turns out to be responsible for setting the Tirana III operation in mostion. I wonder if he's going to suffer the same fate as his predecessor? The Confederate Congress can't be pleased.
This reminds me. Have the novels ever given an explanation for whatever happened to prime Gor? He disappeared for no reason after "The Changing Face of Evil" and was replaced by Pran. I've always wondered about that.

To the best of my knowledge, no novel has discussed Thot Gor's fate. IIRC, Thot Gor was leading the Militia when it attacked Earth and then defeated the Allied fleet at the Second Battle of Chin'toka (and destroyed the Defiant, the bastards!). And we know from Zero Sum Game and Silent Weapons that meritocracy is a huge obsession in Breen culture. Maybe Thot Gor's leadership was considered so successful that he was elevated out of the thotaru (which I'm guessing is the Militia's equivalent of the admiralty) into a new position. Perhaps he became a member of the Confederate Congress, for instance? Or maybe even Domo himself before Brex?

- The novels finally give us an official name for the Bajoran state! It's the Third Republic of Bajor. The numbering is a bit unusual by real-life standards -- people talk about the Fifth French Republic, for instance, but that's an unofficial name used to differentiate one period of French constitutional organization from another; the name "French Republic" didn't change between the fourth and fifth republics. But, hey, this is an alien species, so their ideas about the identity of the state vs. describing the constitutional arrangements can differ from Humans'.

Note, however, that it was Star Charts that debuted "Third Republic of Bajor".

True. Though the novels don't always go with what Star Charts established -- it refers to the Vulcan polity as "the Confederacy of Surok," for instance, and to the Martian polity as "the United Martian Colonies," whereas the novels have gone with "Confederacy of Vulcan" and "Confederated Martian Colonies," respectively.

Speaking of relationships, Sci, did you ever wish that previous Mirror Universe novels utilized the term "Terran Resistance Forces" from "The Emperor's New Cloak"? To me it sounds much better as the name of an organization than "Terran Rebellion".

I really try not to think of that episode. ;) And I honestly can't say I care overly much whether it's called the Terrance Resistance Forces or the Terran Rebellion. I'm happy to accept that both were legit names for the movement, though -- history is full of non-state organizations whose names changed or had multiple valid names.

Also, how did Sarina's prior work for Starfleet Intelligence leak to the press? It's gonna be awful hard for her to keep working for S.I. or the FSA if that's public record.

I can think of a lot of real-life people where I live who would take a long time to recognize Edward Snowden.

Sure -- but not a single officer of any intelligence agency on the face of this planet doesn't know what Edward Snowden looks like. And that's the problem -- not the average folks, but the members of rival intelligence organizations or other interested parties, who could recognize her on sight. (To say nothing of attempting to track her movements from her home on Andor.)

- Section 31's spying on the Mirror Universe would seem to follow up on the revelation in 2007's The Good That Men Do that the organization knew about the Mirror Universe as far back as 2155.

However the heck did they figure out about alternate quantum realities by 2155 anyway?

*shrugs* It's Section 31. They're mysterious and spooky. (And creepy and kooky and altogether ooky....)

More seriously, maybe they discovered the existence of the Mirror Universe as a consequence of having attempted to investigate Archer's allegations about a Temporal Cold War?
 
I just want to say, whenever I have a new book out, this is exactly the kind of fun discussion, analysis, and speculation I hope it will provoke among its readers. Thanks for not letting me down, folks. :)
 
- Section 31's spying on the Mirror Universe would seem to follow up on the revelation in 2007's The Good That Men Do that the organization knew about the Mirror Universe as far back as 2155.
However the heck did they figure out about alternate quantum realities by 2155 anyway?
*shrugs* It's Section 31. They're mysterious and spooky. (And creepy and kooky and altogether ooky....)

More seriously, maybe they discovered the existence of the Mirror Universe as a consequence of having attempted to investigate Archer's allegations about a Temporal Cold War?
That reminds me. I wonder if Section 31 has some kind of quantum tunneling-based transporter. Cause L'Haan disappeared in the blink of an eye without a sound in Zero Sum Game, Raise the Dawn, and A Ceremony of Losses. Like the 31st century Federation Temporal Agency's time portals.

By the way, David, I like how you brought Cole back to the novelverse after 13 years.
 
^ Gracias. I had assumed he was dead, but when I reread the end of Section 31: Abyss, I realized he didn't die at the end of that book. Far from it, actually. So he was ripe for a reappearance. :)
 
Just finished Section 31: Disavowed

I really enjoyed it!

Highlights:
-The inclusion of the Mirror Universe & The Galactic Commonwealth (established in RLL)
-The Mirror Dominion! (and a nod to The Ascendants)
-The fact that Cole's Team (thinking themselves hot shit) didn't see the trap coming at all.
-The Predestination Paradox tied it all together.

In addition, there's just something cool about the two universes interacting by choice instead of through random accident or happenstance that I find oh so appealing and full of potential.

Questions:
With Thirty-One shown to have agents in the Mirror Universe, and with unprecedented access throughout the Federation Starfleet...

What might we conclude from this about the extent of their involvement with...
-The Department of Temporal Investigations?
-The Eridian Vault?

What is/was their involvement with anything connected to Project: Vanguard?

Where does Thirty-One they get all their Tech/Gadgets/Toys? (Stealth Transporters, etc. etc.)
 
This reminds me. Have the novels ever given an explanation for whatever happened to prime Gor? He disappeared for no reason after "The Changing Face of Evil" and was replaced by Pran. I've always wondered about that.

Not that I'm aware of. However, I always assumed that he was promoted. If he helped form the alliance with the Dominion, I assume he took on a higher profile and was recalled to greater things, with Pran replacing him out in the field?

Note, however, that it was Star Charts that debuted "Third Republic of Bajor".

I've assumed - though I can't recall any confirmation of this - that the Bajorans consider their ancient days of glory after achieving a global government (which was presumably after the Bajora annexed the entire planet) as the First Republic, and that when their government reformed following the Occupation, they viewed the pre-Occupation Bajoran culture as the Second Republic, even though it was never known by that at the time.
 
I really enjoyed this book. It was nice to see reappearances from characters like Cole and Ozla Graniv. I loved being able to see into Section 31 a bit more. The predestination paradox was great - I was honestly laughing when Trom realized what was happening, it was such a perfect way to wrap it up.

That final scene with the Section 31 leaders, I was waiting for a big reveal (I was expecting something crazy like Archer), but I liked how it is still hidden from us; it makes me want Section 31: Control even more.
 
I want to read this one, but haven't read any MU stuff yet. I don't want to ruin stuff by reading later books before earlier ones. What order should I read MU in before Disavowed? Myriad Universes is completely separate isn't is?

I didn't see a spolier-free thread so I'm going to check for replies and try not to see spoilers.
 
My recommendations would be 2 Mack books:

Sorrows of Empire
Rise Like Lions

But, neither are truly required in order for you to read Disavowed, as the MU scenes are set some years on and it does have recaps to a degree.
 
I wondered if Control is ...

Admiral Ross? I've been hoping he might return...and he is both connected to 31 and knows Bashir. And his being Control would take 31 out of the 'immediately evil' camp...which is something I feel it needs, since it has done good...in sometimes bad ways.

Although I loved this idea!

[...]I was expecting something crazy like Archer[...].

Although inspired by this..

Wouldn't Trip be cool...
 
[...]I was expecting something crazy like Archer[...].

Although inspired by this..

Wouldn't Trip be cool...

I thought of him too, but I'd rather see him have a happy ending with T'Pol.

I think it would be hard to accept any characters like Archer or Tucker supporting the attempted genocide of the Founders, so most likely it's not a main character from one of the TV shows.
 
- Section 31's position within Starfleet and the UFP reminds me of Hydra's within SHIELD and the United States in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I think this is going to become my go-to comparison the next time someone tries to argue they're a legit part of the Federation government.
An excellent analogy.

Except for the fact that the Federation Starfleet Charter (as opposed to the Archer-era charter) had officially established Section 31, as Section 31: Cloak notes. HYDRA, to the best of our knowledge, has had no such in-writing clause, as far as SHIELD is concerned.

Further, as Agents of SHIELD clarifies (though it's certainly hinted at in the Captain America film), HYDRA has basically been biding its time as a bit of a sleeper organization. Section 31 has been nothing of the kind--they've been active since the beginning.

So...no, however one doesn't "like" Section 31, it just doesn't fit to compare it to HYDRA, in that way.

If anything, 31 is more along the lines of SHIELD itself (albeit a "dark" counterpart), before the "stepping out of the shadows" that the Agents of SHIELD pilot indicated is fairly recent.



As for Control...John Hurt aside, it certainly seems to me as if the point of his identity being secret is to pull a dramatic reveal, even to the Bureau leaders in the room.

Thus, I'm still fully convinced that--

It's Sloan.
 
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- Section 31's spying on the Mirror Universe would seem to follow up on the revelation in 2007's The Good That Men Do that the organization knew about the Mirror Universe as far back as 2155.
However the heck did they figure out about alternate quantum realities by 2155 anyway?
*shrugs* It's Section 31. They're mysterious and spooky. (And creepy and kooky and altogether ooky....)

More seriously, maybe they discovered the existence of the Mirror Universe as a consequence of having attempted to investigate Archer's allegations about a Temporal Cold War?

I honestly am still reading through it, so maybe there's some kind of reset button at the end of the duology, but didn't Starfleet know about alternate universes as early as 2153 in Treklit continuity thanks to Daedalus and Daedalus' Children? And the Mirror Universe is the "closest" alternate universe to the Prime universe, so maybe that's how.
 
- Section 31's position within Starfleet and the UFP reminds me of Hydra's within SHIELD and the United States in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I think this is going to become my go-to comparison the next time someone tries to argue they're a legit part of the Federation government.
An excellent analogy.

Except for the fact that the Federation Starfleet Charter (as opposed to the Archer-era charter) had officially established Section 31, as Section 31: Cloak notes.

There are two basic problems with this argument. The first is that it may simply be invalid because of the rules of media tie-in fiction; the second is that even if it's not, it fails on its own terms.

To start with, there's a very strong argument to be made that the ENT episode "Divergence" nullified the description of that line of the Starfleet Charter in Cloak. "Divergence" established that Section 31 takes its name from Section 31 of Article 14 of the United Earth Starfleet Charter; Rise of the Federation later established that this article was copied word for word into the Federation Starfleet Charter (FSF). This section of the UESF Charter contains "a few lines that make allowances for bending the rules during times of extraordinary threat." That is a far, far cry from permanently establishing an organization for whom the law does not apply and without any supervision or democratic accountability.

But let's assume that Cloak's description of the FSF Charter hasn't been nullified by the Rules of Canon. Let's assume that there's a portion of the FSF Charter that establishes a branch of Starfleet Intelligence with non-specific discretionary powers over non-specific matters.

That doesn't legitimize Section 31.

Sorry, but nothing in that description establishes that Section 31 has the right to act without being accountable to the Chief of Starfleet Intelligence, to Starfleet Command, or to the Federation President. Nothing in that description establishes that Section 31 is above the law. Nothing in that description establishes that Section 31 has any right to act without accountability or to do whatever it wants. Nothing in that description establishes that it has the right to spy on the Federation government, to assassinate Federation politicians, to abduct and torture Federation citizens, to arrange for foreign attacks on Federation soil, to interfere with the internal politics of allied states, or to commit genocide.

If it were to come out tomorrow that some portion of the Naval Act of 1794 established a division of the U.S. Navy with "non-specific discretionary power over non-specific matters," and that this agency had used that section of the Act to justify not answering to the Pentagon, not answering to the Secretary of Defense or the U.S. President, abducting and torturing U.S. citizens, spying on the U.S. government, assassinating U.S. politicians, arranging for foreign attacks on U.S. soil, interfering with the internal politics of allied states, attempting to commit genocide, and deciding that it is above U.S. law?

Absolutely nothing about the Naval Act's hypothetical provision would justify that organization's actions, even if it established that organization's original existence. If such an organization were to be exposed, it would obviously need to be immediately dissolved.

So, yes, I stand by my analogy. Section 31 is to Starfleet as Hydra is to SHIELD -- an illegitimate fascist parasite organization, operating within a legitimate defense organization and perverting it from the inside.

HYDRA, to the best of our knowledge, has had no such in-writing clause, as far as SHIELD is concerned.

A true believer in Hydra would just say that Operation Paperclip must have meant SHIELD authorized Hydra to be within their midst, just like true believers in Section 31 think a line in a charter establishing an agency (but authorizing nothing abut the way that agency operates) must therefore legitimize that organization and everything it does.

Further, as Agents of SHIELD clarifies (though it's certainly hinted at in the Captain America film), HYDRA has basically been biding its time as a bit of a sleeper organization. Section 31 has been nothing of the kind--they've been active since the beginning.

1. We don't know how active Section 31 has been. Christopher has made a very strong argument on this BBS that in order for an organization like that to stay secret for so long and remain unexposed, it would have had to have spent most of its history relatively inactive -- a sleeper organization, if you like.

2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier established that Hydra was active all throughout the period between 1945 and 2012, operating from within SHIELD to arrange for political chaos, the rise of various dictators, and assassinating SHIELD agents and allies who get too close and discover their existence.

If anything, 31 is more along the lines of SHIELD itself (albeit a "dark" counterpart), before the "stepping out of the shadows" that the Agents of SHIELD pilot indicated is fairly recent.

The problem with this comparison is that SHIELD always answered to -- depending on who's writing it -- either the U.S. government or the member governments of the United Nations. There was a clear line of democratic accountability.

Section 31, by contrast, does not answer to the Federation government. It has, in fact, not only spied on the Federation President illegally ("Extreme Measures"), but has assassinated Federation Presidents it doesn't like. It answers to no one but itself, and regards itself as above the law.

That's what makes Section 31 an illegitimate fascist organization. And that's why Section 31 is to Starfleet as Hydra is to SHIELD.
 
^A reasonable argument. However, there is also Star Trek Into Darkness, which established a strong implication that Section 31 was in fact accountable to Starfleet's commanding Admiral (Marcus, in the film's case). Thus, the idea of "full autonomy" is simply there for plausible deniability--hence, terms like "disavowed".

Second, the passage from Cloak ALSO makes clear that the passage Kirk discovered in (let's assume) Article 14, Section 31 specifically makes the organization in question "an autonomous investigative agency"--an autonomous branch of SI. (But again, this does not necessarily indicate that the Bureau does not answer to the commanding Admiral of Starfleet.)

Third, adding that to "allowances for bending the rules during times of extraordinary threat", this, unfortunately, allows for such vagueness: The Dominion most certainly were an "extraordinary threat". And an "autonomous investigative agency" with "non-specific discretionary powers over non-specific matters" (which may or may not be the same text referred to in the ENT tie-in novels), with authority to bend the rules "during times of extraordinary threat"...such would lead to "doing whatever is necessary to deal with the extraordinary threat of the Dominion".

Connecting this with the implication of Into Darkness, it means that, yes, the authorization of Section 31 is indeed "on paper", as opposed to whatever hypothetical quibbling HYDRA would engage in.

(An "autonomous" section of SHIELD with "non-specific discretionary powers", etc., and the ability to bend the rules in case of extraordinary threat WOULD have been comparable...but such a clause in SHIELD's "charter", as far as we know, does not exist.)
 
^A reasonable argument. However, there is also Star Trek Into Darkness, which established a strong implication that Section 31 was in fact accountable to Starfleet's commanding Admiral (Marcus, in the film's case). Thus, the idea of "full autonomy" is simply there for plausible deniability--hence, terms like "disavowed".
Autonomy that couldn't possibly last if it ever existed once the Enterprise crew told the Federation about Admiral Marcus and his cronies' immoral and corrupt schemes.
 
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