S1 vs. S2 vs. S3 (comparing seasons)
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Star Trek Beyond. Awful trailer.If the trailer is awful, the film is going to be awful. Can you give one example of a film where the trailer sucked but the film was good? Doesn't have to be great, just good.
No one decides for me what I like. Why are you so threatened by YouTube?
Pirates of the Carribean. Not a great trailer.
YouTube is an unearned platform so it really carries little weight, any more than any other poster here.
Beyond: trailer looks good to me.
POTC: also looks good to me.
Why is YouTube an "unearned platform?"
So, it's subjective.
Trailers are garbage. I don't trust a one, I forget most after the film and move on.
Because there's no vetting process. People post stuff up and it pops up. No research, no education, no vetting or background check. It's great, and fun and I enjoy it but I wouldn't take it seriously.
Trailers, YouTube clip, and talent are usually how I decide whether to watch a film.
Who said there's no research, no education, no getting, no background check?
You sound like you don't use YouTube.
I read a summary and decide.Trailers, YouTube clip, and talent are usually how I decide whether to watch a film.
Who said there's no research, no education, no getting, no background check?
You sound like you don't use YouTube.
So, Youtube is vetting those who post? Because...yeah, I can verify that isn't happening just from talking to the teens I work with.
I use it daily. I don't use it to make decisions on my media, or anything else really. It's good for some comedy though.
I have found lots of films on streamers that had a great summary, watched the trailer, and couldn't even finish, because it was low budget crap. This is just illustrating why I rely on trailers and clips.
YouTube shouldn't be vetting anyone. It's in the name: YouTube. Lots of educated experts talking about things on YouTube. If someone is YouTube, they're suddenly not worth listening to? Being on YouTube makes one not worth listening to? Where are you going with this? Genuine questions here.
I use YouTube for education, not entertainment.
OK, neither do people on the internet. What did we just accomplish?
Hopefully mutual understanding as that is far more important.
I'd rather hear your perspective and learn about you than click a random video. One is interactive; the other is not.
I think Critical Drinker came up because Disney-era Star Wars? Anyway, I love watching Critical Drinker whether I like or dislike his reviews, whether I've seen the film or not, whether I like the film or not. I find him genuinely entertaining, and I often agree with a lot about what he has to say about the film industry.
Have you ever watched Film Courage? Click here! People in the film industry talking about the film industry, the right and wrong ways to make films. Great videos.
The reason why I never watched anything Disney Wars was because I didn't like The Force Awakens. Generally, if I don't like the first film, I don't compare for sequels, I just watch something else. Does that make sense?
I loved PIC S1, so I came back for PIC S2. The writing was bonkers, but they got everything else right, so I figured I'd come back for PIC S3. Like S2, the writing was bonkers, but they got the rest right.
Sure, but dismissing whole categories because of one installment is something that I've found too broad. I don't like TNG but enjoy DS9. I don't like Star Wars prequels but enjoy ROTJ. I don't like TMP but enjoy TWOK through TUC.
That's fine though I did think you didn't watch YouTube for entertainment?
I don't know if you can group all of Disney's Star Wars productions together and judge if you're going to enjoy them based on one entry any more than you can with Kurtzman's Star Trek productions. Sure things like The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka blend together and continue threads from Clone Wars and Rebels, but they're very different to Andor, which is different to The Last Jedi, which is different to Force Awakens and so on.
TNG & DS9 are spin-offs, Disney Wars are sequels 7, 8, 9. It's a little bit different. When I was a kid, I loved TNG, and I didn't like DS9, because as a kid, "Star Trek" was TNG, not "those other shows." I ended up diving into DS9 mid-run, because I got sold on VOY and then the following year, Worf joined DS9, and I was like, crap, now I gotta watch, and I ended up liking it.Sure, but dismissing whole categories because of one installment is something that I've found too broad. I don't like TNG but enjoy DS9. I don't like Star Wars prequels but enjoy ROTJ. I don't like TMP but enjoy TWOK through TUC.
That's fine though I did think you didn't watch YouTube for entertainment?
With Disney Wars, Episode 8 isn't going to be wildly different from 7 like DS9 was from TNG. It's just going to be "part 2" of the sequel trilogy, meaning a continuation of something I do not like. It's why I never watched 2 and 3. I may watch Rogue One, because it's a prequel to a movie I do like. Solo... I heard it's not bad, just incredibly boring and flat. Is that true?
I mean, I kind of do watch YouTube for entertainment? I mostly use it for news, current events, film/TV trailers, clips, reviews, industry analysis, ASMR, animal stuff like The DoDo, religious takes, sometimes I watch LGBTQ "analysis" content because a few of my friends are gay, and so on. You get the idea.
Regarding LGBTQ "analysis" content, the context is societal, people being respectful and tolerant, stuff like that. I am a Christian, and while I don't agree with LGBTQ+, it is important that my gay friends feel safe with me and know if anyone tries to start something because gay, that person's gotta go through me first if I am present. I also watch analysis videos so I can be graceful when my friend and I have societal conversations. I'm Christian and straight, he's Pagan and gay, and we have some of the best middle-of-the-night conversations about how absurd society is today and how so much could be solved if everyone just sat down, shut up, ate pizza, and talked it out.
That's not what killed it. Fan apathy did. There was no opening weekend. No box office high and then loss.
Harry Potter came out a full month before Nemesis. Die Another Day had three weeks in theaters and LOTR was a week after. Nemesis had a free opening weekend and lost to Maid in Manhattan. And the only reason I remember that movie's name at all is because beat the box office debut of a Star Trek movie.
Sure, it would have lost ground, but it fans were truly interested, it would have at least been something like Star Trek V was: a winner the first weekend and then get pummeled by the more popular competition like Indy Jones III, Ghostbusters 2, Lethal Weapon 2 and, mostly, Batman.
Nemesis gets the blame for killing the franchise for a bit, but it was already out of gas. Too many years of mediocre Star Trek sapped the property of fan interest. I will allow that the leaking of the script into the innerwebs probably didn't help, but fans had a history of going to bad Star Trek if they were interested. But nope. Not this time, and I actually enjoyed the script and the film. I was only disappointed to see so many memorable lines cut from the final print.
After Troi locates the Scimitar, Picard does't order "fire at will!" He gives us a "Savage them!" which I thought would have been amazing from Stewart.
Or when Riker kicks the Viceroy intro the bottomless turbo shaft of doom, he had a nice heroic parting shot "don't worry, hell is dark!"
But jeez, a ton of scenes in the first trailer were missing in the final cut. So that production was fraught.
It is, just like Empire feels different to A New Hope. There's a different tone.
Or the PT compared to the OT. Completely different tone despite Lucas' involvement.
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I can say, if I didn't like Star Wars (original), I'd never make it through Empire Strikes Back.
I generally don't watch sequels if I don't like the prior entries. Maybe I'm weird like that.
Loved the OT, loved the PT, was bored during TFA, had a "meh" reaction to trailers to E8-9.
Wha did you like about Solo?
Solo is a fun adventure/heist movie and I really enjoyed the characters. Great villain and some nice world building.I can say, if I didn't like Star Wars (original), I'd never make it through Empire Strikes Back.
I generally don't watch sequels if I don't like the prior entries. Maybe I'm weird like that.
Loved the OT, loved the PT, was bored during TFA, had a "meh" reaction to trailers to E8-9.
Wha did you like about Solo?
As I said, Star Wars is a unique beast. Prior entries don't mean future ones equal teh sux. I STRONGLY dislike TPM but think AOTC is a fun movie.
The Prequel Trilogy is a great example of a series of films where you should watch the third movie even if you hated the first two.
If we're talking about a trilogy, if I don't like #1, won't come back for 2 and 3. That said, Solo isn't a sequel, it's a prequel / character-backstory movie, so that's very different from being a sequel to a disliked film.
I will probably get around to watching Rogue One at some point.Are the TV shows any good? I hear they are hit-and-miss, some good, some terrible.
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