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Spoilers Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner

You're either seriously ignorant of the width and breadth of JNS' works, or you're just trying to be a contrarian.
I'm more than familiar. He's a B grade talent who's best work tends to be in collaboration with greater talents like the Wachowskis or Eastwood. His run on Captain America actually made be drop the title. One I had been reading since 1970. The only prior person to make me do that was Rob Liefeld. And I'm on record here as not being a fan of Babylon 5, as a certain fictional nerd put it " It fails as drama, science fiction, and it's hopelessly derivative."
 
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...RTD was their first (and only) choice.
Citation needed.

If the BBC truly went into the hiring of Chibnall's successor with an "It's RTD or nothing" attitude, then that shows an incredible myopia, and I might even call it professional sabotage.

Now, as I understand it, they did at least hear out JMS before the polite "Thanks, but no thanks," so they could technically check off the due diligence box

I picked Stephen King as my analogue because I thought I'd get crucified for picking my first choice, Neil Gaiman.
Coming off of Good Omens Series 1, yeah, I think one could make the case that Gaiman deserved to be in the conversation in the summer of 2020 before the announcement of RTD's return. I won't crucify you.

I'm actually very interested in the proposal Grant Morrison and Ben Wheatley worked up for a season of Doctor Who, and with two seasons of Happy! under the belt by that point, Morrison should have been in the conversation in 2020, too.

And if Gaiman and Morrison weren't in the conversation, then did the BBC really do their due diligence in anything more than a perfunctory way, or were they always "ride or die" with Rusty?
 
JMS thought he could be the one who saved Star Trek. Then he thought he could be the one who saved Doctor Who. He couldn't even save Babylon 5. I'm not referring to the issues over whether or not there'd be a fifth series. I'm referring to how painfully bad the TV movies, Legend of the Rangers, and Lost Tales were. He did something remarkable, hell, something amazing, but then burned himself out and didn't stop. Let him prove he's got his mojo back on something other than Star Trek or Doctor Who. (I've read some of his early Spider-Man comics. his Doctor Strange comic miniseries, his original comic series Midnight Run, maybe his Twilight Zone comics, read his autobiography, and I've seen that Angelina Jolie movie he made.)
 
She's listed as a Series Regular on that show.
Yes, but I'm referring to how much she's actually in it.

Hard disagree. JMS as Doctor Who Showrunner would be the equivalent of Stephen King Showrunning an adaptation of The Dark Tower.
JMS is a Stephen King-level writer in terms of his career.

That's why it's equivalent.
I'm a big fan of JMS but even I think that's a massive stretch. :lol:

JMS thought he could be the one who saved Star Trek. Then he thought he could be the one who saved Doctor Who. He couldn't even save Babylon 5. I'm not referring to the issues over whether or not there'd be a fifth series. I'm referring to how painfully bad the TV movies, Legend of the Rangers, and Lost Tales were. He did something remarkable, hell, something amazing, but then burned himself out and didn't stop. Let him prove he's got his mojo back on something other than Star Trek or Doctor Who. (I've read some of his early Spider-Man comics. his Doctor Strange comic miniseries, his original comic series Midnight Run, maybe his Twilight Zone comics, read his autobiography, and I've seen that Angelina Jolie movie he made.)
I'd argue he did that with Sense8. The main reason that show was canceled wasn't because of the lack of viewership or quality of writing, but the massive costs of filming across the world. Hell, the viewership was so strong Netflix allowed the show to come back for one final feature-length episode to wrap up the show. Mind you, that was in collaboration with Wachowski sisters so it's not entirely him.
 
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I'm more than familiar. He's a B grade talent who's best work tends to me in collaboration with greater talents like the Wachowskis or Eastwood. His run on Captain America actually made be drop the title. One I had been reading since 1970. The only prior person to make me do that was Rob Liefeld. And I'm on record here as not being a fan of Babylon 5, as a certain fictional nerd put it " It fails as drama, science fiction, and it's hopelessly derivative."
I really liked Babylon 5. It's been awhile since I've seen it but I seem to recall the dialog was a bit stilted. But good overall. However, no, I don't think he's the one to "save" Doctor Who.
 
Going from the role of previous Companion to the role of The Doctor isn't even remotely the same thing as playing two different incarnations of The Doctor.



If Billie wasn't already a Series Regular on Wednesday, I think the likelihood of her doing the role of The Doctor for a season would be much greater.

Wednesday wouldn't be a issue. My guess is we got to wait 5 years for season 3.
 
imagine if paramount via cbs signed doctor who then we could see star trek doctor who crossovers

which would be crazy because the usa verison of ghosts on cbs is based on the uk tv show ghosts which is on bbc
 
Taika Waititi, I could see but Charlie Brooker? I feel like we've had this conversation before. As much as I like him, he would be a terrible match for Doctor Who. The show has always been about hope and optimism, while Brooker is all about the twisted depths reality can take. Granted, he has lightened up a bit since moving to Netflix but that's stilll very much in his wheelhouse.
 
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It always amazes me that when we have these conversations Steve Pemberton and Reece Shearsmith never get mentioned.

That's a good point. They've got no shortage of Doctor Who connections, not least through their League of Gentlemen partner Mark Gatiss, and Inside No. 9 shows they can manage a show that's wildly different every week. There's a darkness to a lot of their stuff, but I suspect they'd be a better match for Doctor Who than Charlie Brooker. It'd be interesting to see an occasional episode by him, though, if it was the version of Brooker who wrote "San Junipero" and "Hang the DJ" and not the darker stuff. It may be that they're not interested in working on something that's not their own creation, but Davies, Moffat, and Chibnall all worked on Doctor Who after having some successful shows of their own.

Haven't heard much mention of Gatiss as a showrunner for Doctor Who lately, but I don't know if any of his episodes for Davies or Moffat would be considered fan favourites. He's doing pretty well right now with Bookish, anyway.

I'd argue he did that with Sense8. The main reason that show was canceled wasn't because of the lack of viewership or quality of writing, but the massive costs of filming across the world. Hell, the viewership was so strong Netflix allowed the show to come back for one final feature-length episode to wrap up the show. Mind you, that was in collaboration with Wachowski sisters so it's not entirely him.

I probably should give Sense 8 a try one of these days. But as fun as watching The Matrix was the first time, it fell apart on thinking about it and I haven't felt the need to see anything else of theirs. My wife watched Jupiter Ascending once. I caught a bit of it then tuned out.
 
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If the BBC truly went into the hiring of Chibnall's successor with an "It's RTD or nothing" attitude, then that shows an incredible myopia, and I might even call it professional sabotage.

Now, as I understand it, they did at least hear out JMS before the polite "Thanks, but no thanks," so they could technically check off the due diligence box
The impression I was under (which admittedly, could be completely wrong and a result of me misreading between the lines) was that BBC actually fully intended to put Doctor Who to rest when Chibnall announced his intention to leave. RTD then expressed interest, and BBC immediately latched onto him, thinking the guy who brought the show back could infuse some needed life into the franchise, not to mention they didn't want him to leave in the first place. When JMS expressed his interest, BBC were already deep into talks with RTD and close to finalizing the deal, so they waved him off with the "thanks, but no thanks."

So, not quite "RTD or nothing" but also true they weren't really looking for anyone else either.
 
I genuinely want RTD to have the chance to finish his second era properly. If he doesn’t, it risks being remembered as the era that stalled - full of lingering threads and unfinished ideas. Ideally, he’ll get at least one more season, maybe even two, to bring his plans to a satisfying conclusion, even if that includes a Billie-shaped diversion.

Honestly, I'm happy to see the Disney situation resolved, and if he'd be willing and able, would love to have Ncuti return to continue and wrap up the storylines as originally intended.

I’ve really enjoyed this era overall - it’s felt like a return to form after Chibnall’s run, with some bold experimentation. That said, there have been some questionable creative choices, which seem to be a mix of RTD’s eccentricities and what I suspect is Disney’s influence. While Disney isn’t the majority stakeholder, interviews have confirmed they’ve had input. The finales, in particular, haven’t quite landed. Some of the choices have been questionable. 8 episodes a season never feels quite enough to land the ending.

In fact, I think a lower BBC budget and a renewed focus on the UK core audience might actually play to RTD’s strengths as a storyteller. His best work is raw, "kitchen-sink" emotional drama - and he always delivers on that. His characters feel alive and vibrant, and the emotional characterisation hurts, makes you smile, makes you cry. He deserves the chance to do what he does best. I always felt that his first era truly hit its stride from Series 3 onwards - not that Series 1 or 2 were weak, but Series 3 and 4 really cemented his legacy. My worry is that we’re on the verge of missing out on the best of RTD’s second era, just as it’s finding its footing.
 
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