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News RUMOR: Whittaker potentially leaving

A criticism that really landed for me of Chibnall's era that he keeps having the Doctor face off against real-world problems, and then be powerless to stop them because the Doctor is imaginary. She can't save the world from global warming or self-absorbed widowed fathers or whatever. I'd expect his intent is that the moral should be a "the power is yours" kind of thing, motivating the audience to action, but having even the Doctor be unable to do anything about massive challenges tends towards being demoralizing rather than inspiring. Not that "Doctor Who isn't going to solve all your problems, you have to grow up and go out there and use fewer plastic products by yourself" is even, on the most superficial level, an effective way to frame the thought.

The conventional science fiction action-adventure take would be to have some sort of metaphor for the real problems happening with space aliens or magic technology or something that the Doctor can solve. The Doctor can't get rid of fossil fuel subsidies, but they can defeat a conspiracy to make cars that make the atmosphere unlivable as a prelude to Sontaran invasion. They can't stop ongoing wars and ethnic strife in the real world, but they can set up a fantasy crucible that requires the leaders of the Zygons and humans to negotiate by offering the opportunity to skip directly to the devastation and heartbreak of a war on a coin-flip.

I've mentioned before the take that Moffat's era sometimes seems like a preemptive refutation of Chibnall's, but Moffat's Thirteenth Doctor lockdown story actually did take the theme that the Doctor isn't real and can't actually save the world and executed on it in a much more deft and effective way.

I do hope that someone else can find a more effective overall schtick for the Thirteenth Doctor in the spin-off media. "The Doctor who's powerless in the real world" seems even worse to me than that period where the Eighth Doctor was just "the Doctor who always gets amnesia."


That's actually an excellent analysis of the Chibnall / Whittaker era, especially season 11. I've noted to myself obviously that the theme of the season was real world social justice issues, the antagonists were all distant and impersonal forces - racism, capitalism, grief - and the Doctor came off as ineffectual because there were no real baddies for her to fight.

But the idea that the Doctor was never going to be able to defeat these forces precisely because they're real world issues is looping that idea back around to itself, and it makes a lot of sense.

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The one thing thing that's still puzzling me is why they announced this so early. Even if they are planning on an early 2023 start for the next full series they could still have waited until well after Series 13 had aired before saying anything.
 
Especially when considering how much of an effort Chibnall had spent in the first two series to keep anything from leaking out. It's like he's given up.
 
Especially when considering how much of an effort Chibnall had spent in the first two series to keep anything from leaking out. It's like he's given up.

Add to that the way they haven't even put her face on the cover of this year's Doctor Who Annual (the only time that's happened since the first one came out in 1965) and it's like they want people to forget about her. Which is totally unfair since, like Colin Baker, none of the problems with the series are her fault.
 
That's actually an excellent analysis of the Chibnall / Whittaker era, especially season 11. I've noted to myself obviously that the theme of the season was real world social justice issues, the antagonists were all distant and impersonal forces - racism, capitalism, grief - and the Doctor came off as ineffectual because there were no real baddies for her to fight.

But the idea that the Doctor was never going to be able to defeat these forces precisely because they're real world issues is looping that idea back around to itself, and it makes a lot of sense.

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It really did.

I have this feeling that Moffat or RTD wrote something about this once, but can’t for the life of me remember where…

Was it a story where the doctor was an imaginary friend in the head of fan? It feels like that rings a bell.
 
Add to that the way they haven't even put her face on the cover of this year's Doctor Who Annual (the only time that's happened since the first one came out in 1965) and it's like they want people to forget about her. Which is totally unfair since, like Colin Baker, none of the problems with the series are her fault.

That depends if you count the Doctor Who Year Books from the wilderness era I guess.
 
That's actually an excellent analysis of the Chibnall / Whittaker era, especially season 11. I've noted to myself obviously that the theme of the season was real world social justice issues, the antagonists were all distant and impersonal forces - racism, capitalism, grief - and the Doctor came off as ineffectual because there were no real baddies for her to fight.

I stole if from Darren Mooney, so all credit to him for the concept. That particular article is more about the Moffat/Chibnall dichotomy, I think they parts about the Doctor's powerlessness against real-world issues was something threaded through his episode by episode reviews, but it's been like five years since there was a new episode of Doctor Who, so I don't remember where to find the best articulation of his argument specifically.

Was it a story where the doctor was an imaginary friend in the head of fan? It feels like that rings a bell.

I linked to Moffat's Thirteenth Doctor short story from last year in the post DS9Continuing was quoting, that could be what you're thinking of.
 
The one thing thing that's still puzzling me is why they announced this so early. Even if they are planning on an early 2023 start for the next full series they could still have waited until well after Series 13 had aired before saying anything.
I was going to suggest a situation where the story was going to leak anyway so they made a press announcement to take the steam out of the tabloids, just like all the other announcements they've made at odd times, like Eccleston's departure being announced the week after the show premiered. But that's clearly not the case here given this news leaked back in January.
 
I stole if from Darren Mooney, so all credit to him for the concept. That particular article is more about the Moffat/Chibnall dichotomy, I think they parts about the Doctor's powerlessness against real-world issues was something threaded through his episode by episode reviews, but it's been like five years since there was a new episode of Doctor Who, so I don't remember where to find the best articulation of his argument specifically.

Interesting article; a little drawn out, and has a tendency to repetition, but does make a number of good points. I do think it's giving Moffat too much credit, though, and actually, somewhat inadvertently, highlights an issue with his era: his fixation on rug-pulling and about-faces and clever narrative tricks often came at the expense of simply telling a satisfying story.

One of the episodes the article keeps referring to, Hell Bent, is actually a good example: the attempt to subvert epic storytelling to instead focus on the personal fails because the crux of it, Clara, simply isn't a strong enough character, a potent enough motivation for the Doctor's actions, and that's mostly thanks to her being little more than a walking puzzle for him to solve for much of her TARDIS residency.

You could also argue that Moffat was guilty of the things he was refuting. How long did the epic saga of the Silence run for? Countering the darker elements of the RTD era, then going even darker with Capaldi. From The Beast Below to Thin Ice. From everybody lives to everybody dies. True, the burnout would have been a contributing factor, but there's still a fair whiff of trying to have his cake and eat it.

Not wanting to dwell too much more on the past, and In the spirit of counter-balance: what would people want from the next era of Doctor Who? I'd want the show to lighten up, rediscover its sense of fun and adventure. I'd like season-long arcs, but not world-ending, or universe-ending, or all-of-time-and-space-ending threats; maybe a season-long mystery, clues sprinkled throughout, all drawn together in the finale. I'd also want much less of a focus on Earth, and more on other places, and other cultures; maybe even have an alien companion. Lastly, I'd like the show to stop mythologising the Doctor, stop making them an all-conquering god with a body count to rival a DC Crisis event, or a legendary progenitor of their entire race with deeply mysterious origins, and return them to being just an eccentric, funny, warm, clever, resourceful, inquisitive, slightly mysterious wanderer with a knack for being in the right place at the right time.
 
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I was going to suggest a situation where the story was going to leak anyway so they made a press announcement to take the steam out of the tabloids, just like all the other announcements they've made at odd times, like Eccleston's departure being announced the week after the show premiered. But that's clearly not the case here given this news leaked back in January.

The only thing I can thing of is that Chibnall and/or Jodie have other projects they're signed up to and it'd be really obvious once that came to light? Or else the BBC want as much lead time as possible in hiring a new showrunner (always assuming they haven't already got the person they want in which case maybe they want to announce it sooner rather than later?)

It seems doubly odd that the announcement came just days after they'd been at comic con selling the new series.

All very strange.
 
Something that's been brought up before in the past but I haven't seen it come up since the news of Chibnall and Whittaker leaving: Perhaps the show should return to the classic format of showrunner and head writer handled by two different people? Both Davies and Moffatt were exhausted by that dual heavy load, which resulted in their own individual material to suffer, while Chibnall doesn't quite have the chops to do both (especially since his best non-showrunner work wasn't on the same level as Moffat's non-showrunner work in the first place).

With that in mind, I could see having one person who has more experience with nuts and bolts of showrunning, who would craft and edit the core direction of the show, while a seasoned writer could focus on running the writer's room.

I think I recall seeing, when this was last brought up, that the dual roles is the norm for most British shows these days? Am I remembering correctly or is there some other reason why modern Doctor Who has gone in this direction? The cynic in me guesses part of the reason for it is so there's only one person who has to get paid.
 
I think I recall seeing, when this was last brought up, that the dual roles is the norm for most British shows these days?

Jed Mercurio writes and produces his shows, and he's had the biggest hits in years. Sally Wainwright, who'd be not far behind him in the success stakes does the same.

And don't forget DW does have other Producers (Alex Mercer, Nikki Wilson and Matt Strevens), they just don't turn up at conventions or in interviews.
 
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Well, that proves my point, doesn't it? That perhaps the industry norm and expectation is to do dual roles for the shows, which can work fine if it's your own original material at stake. It's a different thing when you're taking the reins of a decades-long franchise.
 
Well, that proves my point, doesn't it? That perhaps the industry norm and expectation is to do dual roles for the shows, which can work fine if it's your own original material at stake. It's a different thing when you're taking the reins of a decades-long franchise.

Sorry I'd misread what you wrote!
 
I guess it might be easier for a showrunner in the RTD/Moffat/Chibnall mould going forward. I suspect we have seen the last of a 13 episode run now. Possibly even the last of a double figures run now. My hope is that we get a solid eight episode series, my fear would be six which is too short. Loki was over almost as soon as it began. Eight would fit the template of something like Call the Midwife, which seems to get a series out every year without fail, though they do have it easier (standing sets/ensemble cast/having every episode set in the same era on the same planet :p )

In some respects Chibnall has had it/made it easier on himself, he isn't trying to work on SJA/Torchwood/Sherlock at the same time as doing Who! Despite him saying he was going to introduce a US style writer's room this didn't seem to happen.

I like the idea of the showrunner because when it works you get a show that, for better or worse, isn't like anything else. I've always likened RTD to PT Barnum, a bombastic showman who dazzles you with bright lights, stirring music and flashy effects. Moffat's the stage magician, all smoke and mirrors and deception. By contrast I don't have the same feel for Chibnall. Clearly he is an experienced producer and clearly not a terrible writer (no matter what hyperbolic fans might claim) but following on from the showman and the magician it's like they put an accountant in charge of the show but told him to emulate the showman. Whether it's timidity, lack of confidence or what I don't know, there's just no verve.
 
In some respects Chibnall has had it/made it easier on himself, he isn't trying to work on SJA/Torchwood/Sherlock at the same time as doing Who!
Though to be fair, RTD had only a peripheral involvement with Torchwood and SJA with someone else handling the day-to-day affairs on those shows. Chibnall on Torchwood, Gareth Roberts with SJA. So that doesn't really match the juggling act Moffat had with Who and Sherlock. Though, really, I don't think he was prepared for or even expecting Sherlock's popularity to skyrocket the way it did. But really, were any of us?
 
Fair points, but Chibnall was only in charge for the first two seasons of Torchwood, RTD pretty much led on CoE didn't he? I guess by then his tenure on Who was winding down.
 
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