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Actually, that's not the full formula - as Vastra said, all the circumstances of River's conception did was give the Church "a hell of a head start" - the Church still had to do a lot of genetic tinkering (she's stated to be mostly human but have some Time Lord DNA which wouldn't have come from the Vortex... the disturbing implication is that the Church have samples of the Doctor...).
Oh wow, I did not think of that!
 
You know, I never did figure out what the Silence gained by giving River the ability to regenerate. Literally, all it did was give her the means to save the Doctor, not kill him.
 
Actually, that's not the full formula - as Vastra said, all the circumstances of River's conception did was give the Church "a hell of a head start" - the Church still had to do a lot of genetic tinkering (she's stated to be mostly human but have some Time Lord DNA which wouldn't have come from the Vortex... the disturbing implication is that the Church have samples of the Doctor...).

I thought her first regeneration happened before they got their full thing going?

(Tbh, the Doctors dialogue *strongly* implies its being a vortex baby)
 
You know, I never did figure out what the Silence gained by giving River the ability to regenerate. Literally, all it did was give her the means to save the Doctor, not kill him.
I think the point was to create an assassin on an equal playing field with the Doctor.
And it’s not like Evil Time Lords are found on every corner they could coerce to do their bidding.
 
I thought her first regeneration happened before they got their full thing going?

River/Melody seemed to be pretty much on her own after she got out of the Silence's orphanage up until she met the Doctor as Mels, so all the tinkering and brainwashing would've been done before her first regeneration as a kid at the end of the Moon two-parter.

(Tbh, the Doctors dialogue *strongly* implies its being a vortex baby)

I think they were clear that there's more to it than just being pregnant while time-traveling.

VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.

VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask, when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this baby... begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean...
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the TARDIS in flight, in the vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the TARDIS together in this version of reality, was on their w...
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night. It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've been working very hard ever since.

DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that.
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.​
 
Plus there’s the whole coda to the monks thing, and I think a speech by nine, and something said by seven that runs along the lines of ‘humans are good at forgetting this shit for some reason’ and handwaves it for the show. ‘Do you remember yeti on the underground’ etc. It’s in the shows DNA that this week we are invaded by aliens, next week we are surprised when more aliens do the same. Less of a problem in the old days when alien invasions were low key, though 1986 is probably more problematic.
UNIT did such a great job of keeping people away from London while it was being invaded by (really poor looking) dinosaurs...
 
It happened literally within 2 minutes of her meeting the fam.

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Yeah, I thought of mentioning that but figured they probably missed it, misunderstood, or assumed she was raving from head trauma after falling through a train roof with amnesia...
 
Upon seeing Graham's reaction to learning the Doctor used to be a man, the Master (while pretending to be O) asks "didn't she ever tell you?" Graham answers "I thought she was joking." So, yes, the Doctor had told her companions she used be a male, but until the start of season 2, they didn't think she was serious.
 
Upon seeing Graham's reaction to learning the Doctor used to be a man, the Master (while pretending to be O) asks "didn't she ever tell you?" Graham answers "I thought she was joking." So, yes, the Doctor had told her companions she used be a male, but until the start of season 2, they didn't think she was serious.

That’s the Right On messaging turning into Oh No messaging, courtesy of Chibnalls upgrade
 
The Doctor was also pretty explicit about it in "Demons of the Punjab" where she said in front of the bridal party that she never got to do fun girl stuff like that when she was a man, and then implausibly back-pedaled that she just liked making wacky jokes about repeatedly altering her appearance and gender.
 
The Doctor was also pretty explicit about it in "Demons of the Punjab" where she said in front of the bridal party that she never got to do fun girl stuff like that when she was a man, and then implausibly back-pedaled that she just liked making wacky jokes about repeatedly altering her appearance and gender.

You'd think Three was invited to Jo Grant's wedding, even if Four turned up, or Three must have been monitoring Ian and Barbara, although they may have gotten hitched before Three's exile.
 
Nick Meyer didn’t do much sci-fi until TWOK
That's untrue.

Two out of three of Meyer's pre-TWOK screenwriting credits were for science fiction screenplays: Invasion of the Bee Girls and Time After Time. Of the two pre-TWOK writing credits of his for television, one of them, The Night That Panicked America, concerned Welles's 1938 radio broadcast of of Wells's The War of the Worlds.
 
That's untrue.

Two out of three of Meyer's pre-TWOK screenwriting credits were for science fiction screenplays: Invasion of the Bee Girls and Time After Time. Of the two pre-TWOK writing credits of his for television, one of them, The Night That Panicked America, concerned Welles's 1938 radio broadcast of of Wells's The War of the Worlds.
Ah okay, I stand corrected. But they weren’t ST-style sci-fi and TNTPA isn’t really sci-fi, it’s historical.
 
The Doctor was also pretty explicit about it in "Demons of the Punjab" where she said in front of the bridal party that she never got to do fun girl stuff like that when she was a man, and then implausibly back-pedaled that she just liked making wacky jokes about repeatedly altering her appearance and gender.


You'd think Three was invited to Jo Grant's wedding, even if Four turned up, or Three must have been monitoring Ian and Barbara, although they may have gotten hitched before Three's exile.

You would think that Elevens giraffe dance was forgotten from Amy’s wedding.
There’s a crack somewhere, erasing things from the timeline. Chibnall is a crack.
 
You would think that Elevens giraffe dance was forgotten from Amy’s wedding.
There’s a crack somewhere, erasing things from the timeline. Chibnall is a crack.

I mean, the Doctor was specifically talking about participating in the bridal party in the “no boys allowed” part before the ceremony, not attending weddings in general.
 
I mean, the Doctor was specifically talking about participating in the bridal party in the “no boys allowed” part before the ceremony, not attending weddings in general.

Well, I stand happily corrected, since I didn’t sit through series eleven in the end.
Chibnall is still a crack.
 
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start
I’d like to see that followed up. I still come back to the Seventh Doctor…seven…the number of perfection…a villain for Jodie…offed…how to replace…no…

There is a part of me that thinks the MASTER plan should come to a head…
 
Chibnall talks about their departures in the new DWM. Mostly unexciting but one he said stood out. He says when he took over the BBC challenged him to make a show that would keep up with Netflix but he believes his successors’ challenge will be to keep up with Disney+. (He doesn't mention 'Loki' specifically but we all know that's what he's talking about.)

The thing is even if they bring on AMC or Warner's on as a co-producer they're not even coming close to the amount of money Disney are throwing about.
 
Chibnall talks about their departures in the new DWM. Mostly unexciting but one he said stood out. He says when he took over the BBC challenged him to make a show that would keep up with Netflix but he believes his successors’ challenge will be to keep up with Disney+. (He doesn't mention 'Loki' specifically but we all know that's what he's talking about.)

The thing is even if they bring on AMC or Warner's on as a co-producer they're not even coming close to the amount of money Disney are throwing about.

One of the Ways who was already ‘keeping up with Netflix’ was by ‘being on Netflix’.
Now half of it is on BritBox (despite having mcgann in its banner, the TV movie is missing) and the modern half is on iPlayer.

This sounds like the ‘we are competing with Star Trek the next generation’ argument from the eighties, it wasn’t true then, and it isn’t true now.
 
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