I'd never seen the latter - cheers for that link. Though it's always odd hearing Tennant not being English outside of an interview. Or being Davina.
RTD on The Next Doctor in DWM (spoilers)
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I'd never seen the latter - cheers for that link. Though it's always odd hearing Tennant not being English outside of an interview. Or being Davina.
CheersI've been going very Sisko lately - though I can't seem to give up my 'shoes' Doctor Who icon on a wrestling forum.
Sisko is The Man! I'm one of those strange cats in the corner of the room that prefers DS9 over every other Trek. Just find it has more depth and realism, versus the wonderfully happy family of the 1701-D, and the 'workplace friends' of TOS.
Yeah, to me Moffat just doesn't have that P.T. Barnum huckster aspect that R.T. Davies is constantly shoveling. Davies is, if nothing else, a perfect salesman when it comes to pitching the public and getting them antsy about Who. Moffat just seems more serious, and literal. I may be proven incorrect, of course. We'll see.
I'm at work right now, but I'll check those links when I get home tonight...
Well, since this is Christmas in Victorian England, IMO, the key to which Doctor Morrisey is playing is to be found in Dickens Christmas Carol. It's perfectly logical.
IMO, we're looking a a time paradox. The tenth Doctor doesn't recognize him, Morrisey's Doctor doesn't recognize the tenth.
Why? Because Morrisey is the 9th Doctor that never was, the Tenth Doctor's Ghost of Christmas past, who the 8th Doctor would have become if the Time War had never happened. And the 10th Doctor is the Doctor that Morrisey's will never become - his ghost of Christmas future, the Doctor that is the product of the Time War. Together, they stand in each other's present - they are the Ghost of Christmas present.
This story will be a reflection for the Doctor on who he once was, and who he is now, taking up the theme of the revelation of the Doctor's true soul in the finale of Season 4.
IMO, we're looking a a time paradox. The tenth Doctor doesn't recognize him, Morrisey's Doctor doesn't recognize the tenth.
Why? Because Morrisey is the 9th Doctor that never was, the Tenth Doctor's Ghost of Christmas past, who the 8th Doctor would have become if the Time War had never happened. And the 10th Doctor is the Doctor that Morrisey's will never become - his ghost of Christmas future, the Doctor that is the product of the Time War. Together, they stand in each other's present - they are the Ghost of Christmas present.
This story will be a reflection for the Doctor on who he once was, and who he is now, taking up the theme of the revelation of the Doctor's true soul in the finale of Season 4.
As I'm on the same page, I tip my hat to you, sir. I'm not actually wearing a hat, but pretend I am
That wouldn't be too bad a story. I think I've hooked onto the idea that it's based on the One Doctor audio book.
Thankfully it's not too long a wait to find out.
That would actually be a kick-ass story. If it turns out to be incorrect, you should FanFic it out for all to read...
It's an interesting concept (though not a particularly original one; it's Lance Parkin's theory from Ahistory on how the Richard E. Grant Doctor fits), it would be difficult to explain because it's so convoluted, to say nothing of the obvious problem. Which is...
Where's the story?
Where's the story?
As I'm on the same page, I tip my hat to you, sir. I'm not actually wearing a hat, but pretend I am
Count me in too, although actually DS9 and TOS sit side by side for me, but for different reasons. At it's best TNG is phenomnal but it has too many poor episodes, and of all the Treks it's the one that's dated most. I used to really hate Voyager but I'm slowly rediscovering it at the moment- I actually prefered it when Voy and DS9 ran side by side, they made a good team I thought--DS9 deep and serious and dark, Voyager as the brighter more popcorny entertainment. As for Enterprise...well by the end I was quite enjoying it, but by far the worst of the Trek shows.
Now re Dr Who, reading some of the ides above I hope we do get something more imaginable than 'he's a guy who thinks he's the Doctor' though I'm not sure how a Ghost of the 9th that never was would really work, and what the 10th Doctor really has to gain from it??
Count me as another Trek fan who places both DS9 and TOS at the top. DS9 is by far the best of the modern Treks while TOS is in a league by itself in terms of being ahead of its times and just being a classic!
As for the DW Christmas special, I really hope it is an alternate Doctor of some sort and not just some guy who thinks he's the Doctor. For me, that would be a let down, fairly mundane resolution. The idea of an alternate Doctor is actually one I've been itching to see for quite some time. I think there are intriguing possibilities there and I'm hoping the poster who linked it to Dickens is barking up the right tree.
Mr Awe
As for the DW Christmas special, I really hope it is an alternate Doctor of some sort and not just some guy who thinks he's the Doctor. For me, that would be a let down, fairly mundane resolution. The idea of an alternate Doctor is actually one I've been itching to see for quite some time. I think there are intriguing possibilities there and I'm hoping the poster who linked it to Dickens is barking up the right tree.
Mr Awe
Maybe he's The Doctor from the Cybermen's home universe. The one in which Rose and family now reside.
Why are people getting a bee in their bonnet over whether or not RTD is "lying"? The DW team have always got a kick from having fun with the online fans. They see it as a real victory whenever they beat the spoilers and leaks and genuinely surprise us onscreen. They give multiple misleading sound bites that get us all scratching our heads and trying to work out what happens, and we love doing that, and we love being wrong when we find out what's really going on. RTD isn't trying to mislead, or spoil, he's just making it more fun. I've never had more fun with a tv show than I do with DW. I loved it when I was a kid and didn't care about continuity or how things worked, and I still love it today.
This line from the BBC's article on Tennant's back surgery:
suggests to me that
the Doctor taking a trip in the other Doctor's Tardis
the "Next Doctor" is a Time Lord, not an imposter.
Other spoiler reports from the press screening say that
the other Doctor's "TARDIS" is a hot air balloon, a "Tethered Aerial Release Developed In Style." Which certainly wouldn't require a Time Lord.
Interesting...
I haven't gone into details on the various press reports. I want to be surprised when next week comes.
I haven't gone into details on the various press reports. I want to be surprised when next week comes.
Me too- seeing that very spoiler made me back away from the reports as it's the kind of thing I'd have preferred to be surprised by.
The press reports are mentioning that sort of thing because they've got to say something, and they're being good about not talking about a) whether The Next Doctor is the next Doctor, and b) What the Cyberking is.
I'm not blaming the press reviews for reviewing the episode, I'm blaming myself for looking at them when I know I'll see something I'd rather not. It is very good of them not to give away anything genuinely important.
I'd put good money on him being The Doctor, however the one thing that seems to escape a lot of who fans is that Doctor Who is a time travel show. Therefore, it stands to reason that whatever event that brought about the next regeneration (ie Nine taking into the Vortex to save Rose) simply has to be (and no doubt will) be avoided and we stay with the Tennant Doctor.
Lets face it, its not a certinity that the Eccleston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_EcclestonDoctor would have become Tennant Doctor if the Nine/Ten Regeneration had taken place at the end of Season Four instead of Season One. Have may have become the Morrissey Doctor. Just as you might look and be completely difference, had your parents conseved you six months later. Know I mean?
Lets face it, its not a certinity that the Eccleston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_EcclestonDoctor would have become Tennant Doctor if the Nine/Ten Regeneration had taken place at the end of Season Four instead of Season One. Have may have become the Morrissey Doctor. Just as you might look and be completely difference, had your parents conseved you six months later. Know I mean?
^ that is something ive always wondered, is the outcome of a Time Lords regeneration set from birth, would the 10th Doctor always look like he did, even if he had life a different life.
Its very clear that a regenerations personality is formed early in its life, and in some respects even before it.
I wonder in the human race, the same two parents can produce two very different children, not least in terms of gender.
DeadmeatDiggory is saying something I have considered, but im not sure it should work like that
Its very clear that a regenerations personality is formed early in its life, and in some respects even before it.
I wonder in the human race, the same two parents can produce two very different children, not least in terms of gender.
DeadmeatDiggory is saying something I have considered, but im not sure it should work like that
Ten hints about 'The Next Doctor'
So 'The Other doctor' must have a condition like Tim in "The Family of Blood" that allows him to hear the fobwatch and he becomes influenced by it.
So 'The Other doctor' must have a condition like Tim in "The Family of Blood" that allows him to hear the fobwatch and he becomes influenced by it.
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