Romulans and their ridges
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Actually, Tuvok had a lot of emotional breakdowns. It was almost a cliche on Voyager.
And entire contrived episodes where they get to openly display their emotions.
The romulans chose to have surgery to have the ridges, so has to distinguish themselves from their vulcan cousins, as they felt that their physical similarities made them seem too much like the people they left behind. not all romulans opted to get the ridges. after so many years, and *ahem* reproduction, the ridges became hereditary as the parents passed it on to their children.
the remans are romulans who adapted to the harsh environment of Remmus. no, that wouldn't be it, especially when they are considered no more than slaves and are frankly... ugly.
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Apparently the long-discredited Lamarckian evolutionary theory works -- at least with Romulans!
Which doesn't explain Mintakans.
Check out the "Vulcan's Soul" trilogy. Remans are Romulans who were accidentally irradiated during the Exodus from Vulcan, and needed to splice alien DNA with theirs in order to survive, and were exiled to Remus. They also never lost their Vulcan psionic powers, as Romulans seemingly did through disuse?
I did actually read that, and that is WHY they are physically unappealing, because they spliced their DNA with those tiny bacteria things, combined with their environment.
Especially since they specifically say, numerous times, that Vulcans are at least as bad as humans when it comes to emotionalism--they just have a creed/religion/totalitarian ideology that crushes that sort of thing out through learned behavior.
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Baffling choice, spending thousands of dollars more on makeup for such a bizarre change and, what's more, a very poor aesthetic.
Anyway, I still say it's rickets (which explains Remans well enough), although Timo's hormonal-change theory is pretty cool, too.
I thought Remans were actually native to Remus and the Romulans enslaved them?
To me, it seems like Romulan/Vulcan genetic similarities and differences are comparable to that of many Asians, as only an example. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, ect, all have subtle and not so subtle region specific genetic features, that to the trained eye (or anyone paying attention) allows one to tell, in many cases, what region of Asia that the individual may be from, or at least an educated guess... but some among them can "pass" as other Asian cultures. A Chinese fellow can claim to be Laotian if his genetics are vague enough to be interchangeable. Just as some light skinned African Americans can often “pass” as Caucasian. Just as Spock could pass as a Romulan on a planet where the Romulan genetic code is possibly a bit more muddled than Vulcans because of their early nomadic nature; perhaps after the Vulcan exodus, other small Romulan colonies were isolated for centuries on other worlds, within the same system, or even in remote areas of Romulus itself. Going down a singular genetic path during separation before the Star Empire was unified...
~Just as in the real world, China and other cultures, were isolated nations for centuries… and in these small pockets of time when the Asian races may have had the same regional point of origin but spread through out the hemisphere and isolated themselves behind walls within empires, never meeting again until thousands of years later, all the while their genetics alter slightly for whatever reasons, environmentally or otherwise, during that time.~
...Whereas Vulcans are a closed off lot, not prone to exploration or domination, their genetics are possibly more pure, their manner and traits are analogous planet wide, right down to the haircuts, but even Vulcans have different skin colors. So you might find more Romulans have genetic homeworld based differences more often than not, as depicted in many episodes and films. Perhaps there is a caste system that favors certain features over others. Heavy browed Romulans may have often been bred to be soldiers, whereas smooth Romulans have a racial predisposition to be in the Romulan hierarchy. Who knows what natural genetic influences may have taken place in Romulan history; breed some to be warriors, breed others to be the senators, and yet others to be leaders of armies, and so forth... as is another component of our own shared human history.
Trek 4 had a Rommie with male pattern baldness, where does he fit in?
~Just as in the real world, China and other cultures, were isolated nations for centuries… and in these small pockets of time when the Asian races may have had the same regional point of origin but spread through out the hemisphere and isolated themselves behind walls within empires, never meeting again until thousands of years later, all the while their genetics alter slightly for whatever reasons, environmentally or otherwise, during that time.~
...Whereas Vulcans are a closed off lot, not prone to exploration or domination, their genetics are possibly more pure, their manner and traits are analogous planet wide, right down to the haircuts, but even Vulcans have different skin colors. So you might find more Romulans have genetic homeworld based differences more often than not, as depicted in many episodes and films. Perhaps there is a caste system that favors certain features over others. Heavy browed Romulans may have often been bred to be soldiers, whereas smooth Romulans have a racial predisposition to be in the Romulan hierarchy. Who knows what natural genetic influences may have taken place in Romulan history; breed some to be warriors, breed others to be the senators, and yet others to be leaders of armies, and so forth... as is another component of our own shared human history.
Trek 4 had a Rommie with male pattern baldness, where does he fit in?
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no, they are a romulan splinter group.
i dont remember that either. maybe it was actually a vulcan?
It was Star Trek The Undiscovered Country. Maybe the actor didn't want to put on a wig. I know Chang didn't have any ridges while most of the klingons in the movie did have ridges. Maybe the actor like Mr. Plummer didn't want to go through the pain of sitting in a chair for an hour with makeup being put on. I know in Star Trek Motion Picture they show a bald Vulcan elder. I thought it was a bad call to choose that actor to play the part. I could of sworn they use wigs for the Vulcan and Romulan hairdos.
^ yes, while i dont remember what movie (never saw TUC) i do remember seeing a klingon with very very subtle ridges.
Well, they do, but what's wrong with showing bald Vulcans?
Gosh, when an alien race is shown with identical features and costumes, fans say it doesn't reflect real life - and when variety is shown, fans want conformity.
Onscreen material doesn't support or contradict either of this theories. There could be other interpretations as well: Remans could be a group that tagged along the Romulans since the beginning of their exodus, or a group that tried to attack Romulus and paid for their mistake, or Romulans who fell victim to a weird disease, or Romulans surgically or genetically altered to be better infantry or better miners. Everything is open to speculation at this point.
Novels have two main takes on this: in older novels, Remans are regular Romulans who just happen to live on Remus (albeit perhaps in a disadvantaged social position), while modern ones acknowledge the phenotype difference and say that Remans are former regular Romulans who got disfigured after being banished from Romulus to the radioactive and poisonous mines of Remus (in fact already back when Romulus was first settled). But none of that's "canon", and there's still room for speculation even in the novel continuity: the newer books have chosen to present the older ones as theoretically compatible, but in the form of "myth" rather than "fact"...
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