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Rogue One (2016) [SW Anthology Series)

I'm sad.

I've just read this and realised that I just don't care about the reshoots, or anything else about the film. I saw Star Wars 13 times at the cinema in when it came out. I purchased Splinter of the Minds Eye on release. Same with the Zahn novels. I've got all the movies on VHS, DVD and now Bluray. I've got a house full of novels. And...

I don't think I love Star Wars any more.
 
Set Harth said:
If you're recasting Han in an origin movie I don't think you would want to have that guy running around right before ANH when he's supposed to be Harrison Ford.
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Well, given how Disney is always leaving tidbits for the next movie in the MCU movies and that transmedia is apparently a thing for Star Wars under Disney, I can totally see them pulling something like that.
 
Well, after the "Original Trilogy's Greatest Hits" that was TFA was enjoyable but ultimately forgettable fluff, I had high hopes for Rogue One. If some of these rumors are indeed true, then that hype is dying swiftly. I was hoping they'd expand their avenues for storytelling, instead of more of the same.

Oh well. The days where I was a rabid Wars nerd ended long ago, deep in the fires of the NJO books. This new stuff? Meh. Fun, sure. But not the stuff of imagination and emotion, not anymore. The magic is gone. Not sure that's the fault of the films, mind you. Just time, and distance, perhaps.

And who knows, these rumors may just be rumors. The final product is the only thing worth judging, and it could still be something special. We'll find out come December.
 
I think the trouble some people are having isn't that "the magic is gone" it's that you're not five years old anymore. It happens. Let's not get into histrionics over it.
 
Reverend said:
I think the trouble some people are having isn't that "the magic is gone" it's that you're not five years old anymore. It happens. Let's not get into histrionics over it.
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I was 12, but good point.

I was, however, ridiculously excited for Phantom Menace. My loss of enthusiasm is relatively recent. Thinking about it, it probably started to wane with the prequels.

I'll no doubt see Rogue One. I'm just not looking forward to it. At all...
 
Jedi_Master said:
Blame Batman Vs. Superman. After that, all the studios are nervous about a film being perceived as "too dark."
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Disney hired the man who directed the dark, gritty and in your face Godzilla (2014) and previously did Monsters. What the hell did the Disney execs expect? You get what you pay for. BvS being dark has nothing to do with this, and more Disney trying to make their Star Wars IP accessible to all ages possible. Kids especially, given the billions they make on the merchandise.

I should add, that TESB was considered too dark back in the day and critics hated at the time. Saying it was tonally too different from Star Wars (1977). ROTS is darker than that. With murder machine Anakin and his immolation in the finale.

I'm actually kind of disappointed. We could possibly have been getting the "Band of Brothers" of Star Wars movies and instead they want to make it a GOTG style romp. A story about a bunch of rebels who plan to steal the plans for a death weapon that will inevitably kill billions of lives and lead to a desperate dog fight above the surface of the space station. But no. WE MUST HAVE COMEDY!!!
 
M.A.C.O. said:
I should add, that TESB was considered too dark back in the day and critics hated at the time. Saying it was tonally too different from Star Wars (1977).
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I've seen this mentioned a few times in various places but it doesn't actually seem to be true - not only did critics overwhelmingly like the film, randomly looking at reviews from critics of the time I cannot find much evidence they found it darker than Star Wars.
 
JoeZhang said:
I've seen this mentioned a few times in various places but it doesn't actually seem to be true - not only did critics overwhelmingly like the film, randomly looking at reviews from critics of the time I cannot find much evidence they found it darker than Star Wars.
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We need to slingshot around the sun, go back in time and pick up newspapers from 1980. That's a good a reason as any to use time travel, I think. I mean, it's not something irresponsible like going back to see if Dukat is boning your mom. I think we have more discretion that than here, on the Trekbbs. Hehe
 
Studio execs are human too... they get nervous, overreact, and pee their pants at the wrong times. Seeing as most of them hold a lot of stock in the companies they oversee, they have a real interest in making sure every "blockbuster" film makes a ton of money.
We as fans may fuss, whine, and second guess, but Disney has a pretty good multi-billion dollar movie streak, so someone there knows what he is doing.
 
A good film is about balance. The darkness and the light.

Their needs to be comedy to offset the killing. I use to hear that their needed to be at least something sexy to appeal to the crowd as well. Male sexy or female sexy as long as there was something sexy in there. There didn't need to be sex, just something nice to look at. The main cast in A New Hope filled that role for people, and I imaging Felicity Jones will do just fine for the males in the audience.

We don't know why the reshoots are taking place, but putting out fears on it. We shouldn't give in to our fear. Fear leads to the Dark Side.

I was in a Star Wars slump starting midway into the NJO novels and post ROTS. I didn't get into the Clone Wars until later, though I might be misremembering since I had time but too much going on from 2008 to 2012. But The Clone Wars brought back some interest in Star Wars. In 2009 we started running a home brew Star Wars table top game using the Wizards of the Coast collectible figures. The Battle of the Grassy Plains. Jar Jar Binks and his 300 Gungans verses ten lines of 180 battles droids and sometimes tanks. We had to modify the rules of that game so it would be fair....to the battle droids. A few years later we had someone build as an arena and we've put on the Battle of Geonosis with 50 Jedi verses endless battle droids and super battle droids. They have to hold out for six turns. After than Yoda arrives, ending the game. We considered doing Hoth at one point, but our friend who had the AT-ATs died. I considered doing battles from the Clone Wars, but we'd need a lot of Clone Troopers.
 
Xerxes82 said:
Oh well. The days where I was a rabid Wars nerd ended long ago, deep in the fires of the NJO books.
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I skipped that whole series due to not liking a preview excerpt of the first book. Probably for the best, given what was coming.
 
I read 'Vector Prime' and it didn't to a thing for me so I went no further. Thing is though, I'd been steadily loosing interest in the SW books for a while since a lot of the post-Thrawn trilogy were very uneven. Indeed in hindsight I'd say that besides Zahn's work, only Stackpole's run on the X-Wing books can really be considered "good". Most everything else was mediocre to downright awful.

Never got angry over it though. I was still enjoying some of the Dark Horse comics, I think X-Wing Alliance came out around that time too and the prequels were just on the horizon. And no, my childhood wasn't crushed by TPM, nor did I feel the need to burn things in effigy over how out of place Jar Jar Binks was. For the most part, I enjoyed TPM at the time. Since then...not so much.

The point being that it's way to early to be making judgements based merely off of rumours spread by click bait merchants. Rumours which the supposed author of the rewrites is calling "horseshit". I'm inclined to take his word for it.
And even if it's not, so what? It'd hardly be the first time a Star Wars movie has had production problems. Hell, it'd be a first if it *didn't* have any! Some people just have very short memories I suppose.
 
A lot of people seem to acting like they're going to be turning this from Saving Private Ryan into a Naked Gun movie or something, but I can't believe the reshoots will be anything that extreme. They're probably just adding few lighter scenes here and there, just to keep things from being grim from beginning to end.
 
Article: What's true and false about the reshoots for Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
In what may reassure fans, reshoots were scheduled for the film before even a single scene was shot. It’s standard practice now for large-scale films to build in additional weeks of shooting so filmmakers can tweak a movie after the first assembly cut.

Those reshoots were originally planned for the spring, but were bumped to mid-summer to allow for extra time as director Gareth Edwards and the creative team decided what they wanted to alter. “The changes have everything to do with clarity and character development and all take place [as inserts] within scenes we’ve already shot,” said one source on the project.

In other words, they changes involve more intimate moments – not redoing entire battle sequences or plot lines. “It’s a lot of talking in cockpits,” as one insider described the new footage.
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The rumor that almost half the movie is being reshot elicits both laughter and groans from those closest to the film. While it might seem like spin-control from those working on the film, their logic bears out: “If we were rewriting the movie and reshooting 40 percent of movie, we would not be finishing in August,” a source on the production says. “People really would be panicking – and changing the release date.”
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Can people stop freaking out now?
 
When you read reports that say 40% of the movie needs to be reshot for levity and tone; one can't help be feel a sense of dread about the project. Especially if they still intend for the film to make it's November release date.
 
I thought from the first time I heard it that 40% seemed excessive.
That article from EW does help make me a lot less nervous.
 
Excessive? More like ludicrous. There's no way a movie of this size goes that far off the rails that the first time anyone notices is in the assembly cut. The director would have been fired before he'd even gotten half-way through principle photography, production would have been shut-down while they tried to salvage what they could and regroup and the release date would have been moved.

Also, I don't care what kind of scary NDAs people are made to sign. You don't get a shoot that disastrous without it leaking like a sieve. We'd have been hearing stories and rumblings of trouble *all year*. You just can't keep a lid on something that huge.

So yeah, right from the off it was clearly being massively overblown. I'm not surprised so many blogs ran with it without scrutiny; I've come to expect that combination of incompetence and cynicism from click baiters. I'm just disappointed so many half-way competent outlets also stoked the fires. Clearly it was either a slow news day, or the Episode VIII shoot has been able to stop drone overflights this time around that they were so starved for controversy.
 
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