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Rogue One (2016) [SW Anthology Series)

Move the release date? But that would mean releasing a Star Wars movie in the summer... and that sort of thing just isn't done.
 
Honestly, I've always associated SW with the Christmas period than summer since I'm not quite old enough to have seen the OT in the cinema and that's when they were on TV when I was a kid.
 
Reverend said:
Excessive? More like ludicrous. There's no way a movie of this size goes that far off the rails that the first time anyone notices is in the assembly cut. The director would have been fired before he'd even gotten half-way through principle photography, production would have been shut-down while they tried to salvage what they could and regroup and the release date would have been moved.

Also, I don't care what kind of scary NDAs people are made to sign. You don't get a shoot that disastrous without it leaking like a sieve. We'd have been hearing stories and rumblings of trouble *all year*. You just can't keep a lid on something that huge.

So yeah, right from the off it was clearly being massively overblown. I'm not surprised so many blogs ran with it without scrutiny; I've come to expect that combination of incompetence and cynicism from click baiters. I'm just disappointed so many half-way competent outlets also stoked the fires. Clearly it was either a slow news day, or the Episode VIII shoot has been able to stop drone overflights this time around that they were so starved for controversy.
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But, that's the nature of the Internet it seems. Regardless of a project's actual state, things will always be called in to question.

And, sorry, I don't buy that Disney would be so ignorant of one of their largest acquisitions having a film off track. Simply put, there are business people who sit there and watch projects and bring them back in line. To think that Rogue One would escape that because "Star Wars...what could go wrong?" strikes me as highly questionable.

Also, I'm more excited to see the secondary characters, Forrest Whittaker and Chirrut (Donnie Yen) and find out about them.
 
I don't know, I still find it a bit hard to believe it's really ended up going that far off of what Disney wanted. It just seems a bit hard for me to believe that the executives at Disney were really that clueless about what was going on with one of their biggest movies of the year.
 
My favourite part was where they suggested EW took a bribe from Disney to play down the reports. Because that obviously is a thing that would happen. :rolleyes:

Also the cited source is someone that works at Pinewood. Because some random carpenter, or electrician or production assistant is going to have the first damn clue what's going on between the Director and the studio.

My suspicion is that if there's any element to this that's true and is being misconstrued, it's the "40%" figure. If (and it's a big if) this isn't just pure bantha shit, then I could see that what's actually going on is that 40% of the scenes across the whole film are getting material reshot. Be they inserts, dialogue tweaks or things that just didn't work in the editing bay. Still not a big deal.
 
If they decided to take the page from Lucas, than they are doing a lot to fit FX shots and the like now the ILM has given them more stuff to work with. Filmmaking by editing and reshooting, doesn't not fall out of line with Star War in anyway at all.
 
While I don't believe this article is 100% accurate, I think there is some truth in it. Specifically, their claim that Disney is changing the ending from one where everyone dies to one where some do survive. But not because they're worried about a dark ending (or rather, not just because of it) but rather I can see Disney wanting the characters to live on and be available for tie-in material. Truth is, I don't think the novels or comics are really going to do anything Rey and Finn until after Episode 9's done, but if say Jynn Erso and Cassian Andor are available now for some adventures in comics and novels, well...
 
If they do, they have to figure a way to keep them alive, but also have a reason why not only does Leia have the set of Death Star plans (as oppose to just taking them to Yavin or Alderaan themselves), and have them evade Darth Vader enough so he believes that Leia is the only link to the Rebel's hidden base. Otherwise he's be looking for the likes of Jynn and torturing them for the Rebel's hidden base.
 
Yeah, the idea that they'll all die in the end have been a fan theory from very early on but of course there's been absolutely no official comment one way or the other.

It makes sense that they would, given the kind of story it is it's a fairly well established trope of the genre and honestly, I'll be disappointed if at least half of them don't die. I mean it is a suicide mission, no?
If I had to guess, if anyone is to survive I'm thinking it'll be Jynn. If that is a change that Disney are mandating (wildly speculating of course) it doesn't indicate that the film is in trouble at all, indeed quite the opposite. It would indicate to me that they're very happy with the movie and want to do a 'Rogue Two', so at least some of them need to live.

If they go for a full trilogy then we could conceivably end up with a trilogy of 'Rogue' movies interlocking with the OT. Say 'Rogue Two' taking place between Yavin and Hoth while 'Rogue Three' would be the "many Bothans died" mission prior to RotJ. Two could pretty much be it's own thing, but Three has a lot of potential to tie-in to Jedi. Rather than repeating 'Rogue One' by having the story end right where ANH begins, they could have it running concurrently, with the second act at least happening at the same time as the OT characters are on Tatooine and the third act would be the Battle of Endor again from a different perspective, all 'Back to the Future II' style.
Alternatively, they could do that for Rogue Two and instead have 'Rogue Three' be the Battle of Jakku, tying back into Episode VII.
 
Wow, I'd never thought of more "Rogue" movies before. That actually sounds pretty cool. But I am assuming that everybody dies in this movie.
 
Ithekro said:
If they do, they have to figure a way to keep them alive, but also have a reason why not only does Leia have the set of Death Star plans (as oppose to just taking them to Yavin or Alderaan themselves), and have them evade Darth Vader enough so he believes that Leia is the only link to the Rebel's hidden base. Otherwise he's be looking for the likes of Jynn and torturing them for the Rebel's hidden base.
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That's easy, after somehow getting the info to Leia, Jynn is apprehended and detained by the Empire. It's still not a happy ending, but keeps her alive of tie-ins or a potential sequel.
 
My speculation is mainly based on what little details we got about the premise of this film and how things played out with Leia and Vader in A New Hope. Mostly judging on Vader's lines than anything else.
 
I have a feeling at least a few of the characters are going to die, even if the main heroes like Jynn and Cassian do survive.
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My favourite part was where they suggested EW took a bribe from Disney to play down the reports. Because that obviously is a thing that would happen. :rolleyes:
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That was the part that pretty much ended any chance of taking the story seriously. I know that kind of stuff happens, but it still seems a bit ridiculous to me that they would really be desperate enough to cross a line like that.
I know that Latino Review does have a good reputation, but that doesn't mean everything they post is going to be true. This whole thing just seems like a big paranoid fanboy conspiracy theory to me.
 
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JD said:
I have a feeling at least a few of the characters are going to die, even if the main heroes like Jynn and Cassian do survive.
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Yeah, like I said with a movie like this, it's highly unusual for everyone to make it out alive. Indeed, it's reasonably common for everyone to either be killed, crippled or captured at the cost of achieving the mission. Think 'The Guns of Navarone', 'The Dirty Dozen', 'Saving Private Ryan', 'Das Boot', 'The Great Escape' even appropriately enough one could argue 'The Seven Samurai'.
That seems about right since all signs indicate that Rogue One is in the sub-genre of "last stand" war movies that crosses over with criminal heist capers.
Those almost always have a high body count. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Andor doesn't even make it.

Ithekro said:
My speculation is mainly based on what little details we got about the premise of this film and how things played out with Leia and Vader in A New Hope. Mostly judging on Vader's lines than anything else.
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Probably the easiest way to have a person or people survive who should be dead without rearranging too much is to just film a little extra material that makes it clear they escaped, but were seriously injured and will spend the events of ANH floating in a bacta tank. Maybe even fitted with cybernetic legs or something.

You have to be careful though, since depending on the tone of the preceding crisis (typically an heroic act of sacrifice), it could easily feel like a cop-out for them to live after all.
 
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