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Roddenberry calls Wrath embarrassing

I don't even remember the series existed. I've asked my brother about it and he mentioned the series was difficult to tune in because the series was constantly moving from SyFy Channel to USA Network to Bravo to NBC. I wouldn't call a show which was moving all over the place to be successful. How long did this show lasted?

It was insanely popular. Full bus adverts in the heart of London...The Last Supper publicity shot was quite cool. Never confuse ‘it wasn’t on my personal Radar’ with ‘it wasn’t popular’.
I don’t think I have ever intentionally watched Sex and the City, never ever saw Ally McBeal, and have seen a handful of Big Bang Theory....I don’t for one minute doubt they were hugely successful mind you.
 
I feel that way. I mean I have known for years that people like Gene Coon and Dorthy Fontona had more to do with TOS being great and TNG was turned around because of Micheal Piller and even Rick Berman not to mention tons of others that foolowed like Behr. Moore, Jeri Taylor etc. I also knew he was a cad back during his TOS days but the more you read about him, he comes off as a self centered asshole who would screw anyone over to be famous and make money.

Jason

I'm not ready to go quite this far without further research, but two of the anecdotes that really bother me about Roddenberry are the ridiculous IDIC insertion in "In Truth" and him hastily writing down some lyrics to the theme so he would get royalties. Just sad.
 
My personal opinion of Roddenberry plummeted out a year or two ago. I wrote about exactly why here:

http://atomicjunkshop.com/separating-the-art-from-the-artist/
Pretty much became my attitude as well. Nice write up

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All that said, having read a fair number of actual memos from making of TOS I think the pendulum has swung too far into the "Coon and company mattered more" camp than is entirely fair or accurate. Roddenberry often "got" what was wrong with a script in a way that the others didn't, and frequently steered them in the right direction. He may not have been as good or even a good writer, and likely blind to his own ego, but he understood the tone and mechanics of the show and of the better than almost anyone. There's a really great memo where he takes Fontana and Justman to task for the snark in their memos on scripts because he couldn't simply quote relevant comments to pass on and was forced to waste time rephrasing them so as not to insult the writers.
 
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Good points. Someone -- I forget who -- said that Roddenberry was a much better rewriter than a writer. I think there's a lot of truth in that.
 
Man, Roddenberry must've had some good pot back in the '70s.

Not just pot, but a lot of booze, pills, and coke too (he was snorting it while doing TMP.)

Seems like an accurate assessment of his character to me.

Sadly, yes.

The sad truth about all of this is that Roddenberry was an old man who could no longer write like he used to, as seen by the script he wrote for a Star Trek revival movie back in 1975 (The God Thing) and his substance abuse made it even worse (each rewrite by him of TMP was worse than what was originally written, according to Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek.)

I know there's this mentality among certain people - and in retrospect, I think Roddenberry himself was one of them - that sci-fi should be about grandiose concepts, and should be above such petty things as conflict and/or the problems of everyday life. And while that might work well for literary sci-fi, it's something that, with one or two exceptions, has never really been the approach that successful screen sci-fi has taken.

That kind of thing isn't even true of current literary sci-fi now, as shown by the recent events concerning the Rabid/Sad Puppies and how they perceive current literary sci-fi as not having enough wonder and science as it used to, and also why both groups tried to change the Hugo Awards by gaming it, but ultimately failed.
 
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Just because cerebral didn't sell in the sixties doesn't mean it won't sell today or didn't work for TOS as evidenced by this very forum. I think GR's opus on TOS was the best of the series and what I think of when I think of true/real Trek by far.
 
I won't argue that TOS was hands down the best. However, the more I read and learn, the less certain I am about saying it was GR's.
 
true/real Trek
When I look out at the sky and see the reflection of two warp nacelles and a saucer in low earth orbit, then I'll say Real Trek, otherwise, I think its a bit of a false-concept. If its trek, and its on TV or the Movies, its Trek. I don't think casting things as false trek is very logical. It's just a damned show.
 
GR was Star Trek. Get used to it.
If you read @JonnyQuest037's linked post you'll realize that the his point was the struggle in separating the art from the artist. The struggle is, as much as there is idealization of Trek, there is the inconsistencies of GR's life.

For some, that creates an in-congruence between what was present on screen and the BTS exploits. It may not bother all, but it certainly gives me pause regarding GR and his work.
 
This discussion (especially John’s very thoughtful blog post), about separating the artist from their works reminded of this:
Jacques Maritain had published Art and Scholasticism in France in 1927…. His field of interest was aesthetics, and in Art and Scholasticism he took up Aquinas’s idea of the “habit of art,” arguing that artists rely on the faculty of intelligence called the “practical intellect,” not the “speculative intellect” of philosophers, and that the confusion of the two had lead artist astray – with Romanticism as the consequence.

Maritain had distilled this point into a dictum: “art is a virtue of the practical intellect.” [Thomas] Merton quoted it approvingly, then made a further point: “The presence of virtue in the work now is necessary to the goodness of the work. As a man is, so are his works. The tree is known by its fruit.”

On the face of it, that seems obvious, and it is true to the letter of Aquinas, who says that the true artist must possess virtue. But it is actually a conclusion Maritain had written Art and Scholasticism to refute. For Maritain’s conclusion (following Aquinas) is that the artist must possess the virtue proper to his activity. That is, the person who would be a good artist need not be virtuous in manners or behavior, so long as he possesses the virtues necessary for his art: those of line and form and color, or those of meter and rhyme, or those of plot and character and motivation.
—Paul Elie, The Life You Save may Be Your Own: An American Pilgrimage
That the artist possesses the virtues necessary to their art in order to be considered a worthwhile artist is the position I’ve adopted regarding these horrible men who created things I cherish.

Roddenberry could write well enough and his rewriting skills were outstanding. More than that—in his prime, at least—he was a very good manager, and as utilitarian as that sounds, qualifies as artistic virtue. Ultimately it was Roddenberry who responsible for corralling the talent on both sides of the camera and, one way or another, he let them do their jobs while still maintaining the ethos that was Star Trek.

In other words, Roddenberry—a deeply and increasingly unvirtuous man—possessed those virtues necessary for his art, and for me that is sufficient.
 
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Why?

I think the first experience I had with this was Orson Scott Card. I was considering reading some of his books (which to be fair I've heard are impressive in their own right), but then I learned more about the man himself, and...no, I have no interest in patronizing someone with those sorts of views.

It's...interesting...to consider that if I'd had some idea of who GR was prior to the advent of Star Trek then I might have passed on it as well. Then again, more hands touch a work of television than a literary work.
 
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